We discuss the idea of openness to experience and how travel can bring up fear, anxiety, and questions about comfort zones. We speak about choosing to do things while we are still healthy and physically able, and about how different each of us is in how we respond to uncertainty and change.

We share one of the strongest moments from the trip: meeting a woman connected to a heritage railroad and hearing about the Maori people, their language, and a concept linking land and placenta. We also describe the beauty of that encounter despite rain and difficult conditions, along with the challenging tender ride back to the ship.

We talk about time, retirement, and mindset. We reflect on the freedom that comes from controlling our own time, and on the shift some people experience when they move from saving to spending, or from work into retirement. We also mention that open nesting can include many forms of travel and exploration, not only cruises.

We close by focusing on what we call return on experience: the value of leaving the comfort zone, staying curious, and finding new ways to stay vital. We encourage listeners to keep imagining new places and new ways of living, whether through travel, local exploration, or other flexible arrangements.

In this episode we speak with Mia Bolden about her work with women’s empowerment, coaching, and solo travel. We discuss how her own healing journey led her into fitness, speaking, and coaching, and how she began working with many women who were empty nesters, single, or starting over.

We talk about the experiences that shaped her path, including body image struggles, low confidence, and the emotional work that came up through yoga and other healing practices. Mia explains how she created a women’s fitness studio, taught yoga, and learned tools for releasing trauma and building confidence that she now uses in her work.

We also focus on travel and retreats for women over 40. Mia describes how travel became part of her growth, how she came to lead retreats, and why she centers them on release, mindset work, journaling, and practical preparation for solo travel. She shares ways women can build confidence through staycations, local outings, dining alone, and other small steps before taking a bigger trip.

We discuss the kinds of fears women bring up, including traveling alone, dealing with logistics, and leaving a spouse or family behind. Mia says she helps women respond with planning, research, and clearer self-talk, and she emphasizes trusting instincts and speaking from a more confident mindset.

We also cover the impact these retreats have had on participants, especially women who felt they had not done enough as mothers or had never traveled alone before. Mia shares some of her favorite destinations, including Bali, Egypt, and Jamaica, and talks about how she plans trips, works with local partners, and thinks about safety and awareness while traveling.

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

• Adventure
• Freedom of Expression
• Exploration and Fun
• Body Movement
• New circles of friends
• Deep love relationships

In this episode of the Open Nesters podcast, we revisit a compelling conversation from January 2021, featuring David and Veronica James, famously known as the Gypsy Nesters. Despite the lingering uncertainties of the pandemic, David and Veronica’s adventurous spirit shines through as they share their journey transitioning from traditional home life to full-time globetrotting. As pioneers of the midlife travel movement, they emphasize their philosophy of flexibility, explaining how the motto “the plan is no plan” has colored their experiences while navigating global exploration.

David and Veronica’s story began as they faced the empty nest dilemma. Instead of succumbing to traditional fears associated with this life transition, they chose to sell everything and embark on their first big adventure, which they lovingly referred to as their “victory lap” when their youngest child left for college. Travel enthusiasts at heart, the couple has traversed six continents and over 60 countries in the last decade, inspiring other couples to rediscover themselves beyond their parenting roles. We delve into their empowering narrative about what it means to embrace life’s endless possibilities, especially as a couple rediscovering their bond after years of focus on their children.

Their journey not only illuminated the excitement of travel but also highlighted the deeper connections they forged with each other and their adult children. We discuss how the couple’s unique strategies for maintaining open, honest communication with their kids allowed for richer relationships post-nesting. Veronica reflects on her initial apprehensions as a helicopter mom and how stepping out of her comfort zone through travel and shared experiences rebuilt her connection with David. Their candid discussions reveal the importance of not just the adventures they embarked on, but the joy of togetherness, making memories, and growing alongside each other.

Throughout the episode, David and Veronica recount their myriad of travel experiences—from the funny to the frightful—like their daunting skydiving attempt on Valentine’s Day, which highlights the couple’s comical yet brave approach to conquering fears together. Listeners will appreciate the balance of humor and introspective advice the Gypsy Nesters provide, encouraging couples to step into new adventures and prioritize shared experiences that rekindle their relationship. As the couple discusses their transition to living on a boat in Southern California, listeners are reminded that travel doesn’t always have to mean constant movement but can also symbolize a way to embrace new lifestyles and choices, even from a dock.

As they close, the Gypsy Nesters offer deeply insightful advice on what it means to be open nesters, emphasizing the importance of allowing adult children the freedom to grow while continuing to nurture the romantic bond with each other. Their book, “Going Gypsy: One Couple’s Adventure from Empty Nest to No Nest at All,” serves as a resource for couples seeking inspiration in the next chapter of their lives. Head to their website, gypsynesters.com, for more about their exciting journey, real-life experiences, and lessons learned. This episode serves as a celebration of love, adventure, and the transformative power of embracing life’s unpredictable turns together.

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

• Adventure
•  Freedom of Expression
•  Exploration and Fun
•  Body Movement
•  New circles of friends
•  Deep love relationships

In this episode, I continue my enlightening conversation with Karen and Tammy, who previously joined us to discuss the transformative journey of embracing our roles as open nesters. We delve into the poignant theme of reclaiming self-worth while exploring the powerful concept of nurturing our inner child. We begin by reflecting on how our past experiences shape our understanding of relationships, particularly in the context of motherhood and the complex dynamics often at play with our family members.

Tammy opens up about her childhood struggles, detailing her quest to heal from emotional suffering and alleviate the pain of others. She emphasizes the importance of self-respect and boundaries, especially in difficult familial relationships, sharing her personal journey of reaching out to her elderly mother—a woman who has been both a source of love and conflict. Through her story, Tammy highlights the profound realization that love can exist even amidst dysfunction, and that we have the agency to cultivate healing within ourselves, regardless of others’ actions.

Karen expresses her own experiences with self-acceptance, illustrating a parallel journey through the challenges of personal and familial expectations. She reflects on a childhood where she felt diminished by the perceptions of her teachers, and how these experiences fueled her drive to empower her children to embrace their individuality without comparison. She shares the importance of offering unconditional love as a parent, emphasizing the necessity of allowing our children space to grow—even if it includes phases of friction and conflict.

We dive deeper into the importance of inner work and the spiritual journey that can arise in midlife. The conversation shifts towards practical tools for personal growth, where Tammy introduces the concept of Ho’oponopono—an ancient Hawaiian practice of reconciliation and forgiveness. She discusses how this practice empowers us to take responsibility for our experiences and encourages a deeper connection with our inner selves. By becoming the “mother” of our inner child, we can nurture that part of ourselves that longs for love, acceptance, and healing.

Throughout our discussion, we touch upon the relevance of ‘cleaning our thoughts’ and recognizing the impact of negative beliefs instilled during our formative years. Tammy stresses that acknowledging these thoughts without judgment is the first step to transcending them, thus enabling a larger sense of self-love and acceptance. As we explore various breathing techniques and mindfulness practices, the importance of being present and cultivating a higher consciousness is reiterated.

The episode culminates in a shared appreciation for the empowering journey of reevaluating our relationships and self-perceptions as we navigate the challenges of life transitions. Karen and Tammy emphasize that through conversations and practices, we can rewrite our narratives and foster resilience within ourselves, ultimately thriving not only as individuals but also as mothers and mentors to others.

Listeners are invited to join our growing community on social media platforms, reflecting the shared intention of nurturing and uplifting one another as we embark on this incredible journey of self-discovery and transformation.

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

• Adventure
•  Freedom of Expression
•  Exploration and Fun
•  Body Movement
•  New circles of friends
•  Deep love relationships

[TESSA] In this episode of The Open Nesters Podcast, we delve into the concept of “open nesting” as a transformative stage of life post-parenthood. As my partner and I embraced this new chapter after our children left home, we discovered a world of possibilities waiting for us. Instead of viewing ourselves as empty nesters, we chose to remain open to new experiences, broadening our horizons through travel and deeper connections with family and friends. This mindset shift has not only enriched our lives but has also enhanced our relationships with our children and each other.

Join me as I introduce Tami Nora and Karen Yadovsky, two incredible mentors who specialize in helping individuals navigate life with purpose and authenticity. Tami, a spiritual teacher, therapist, and author, brings a unique blend of artistry and insight to empower others in manifesting their potential. Karen, a business mentor and expert in human behavior, complements Tami’s insights with practical strategies for personal growth and interpersonal connections. Together, they illuminate the intricate dynamics of friendship and mentorship, highlighting how authentic connections can profoundly impact our lives.

0:54 Meeting Our Mentors

2:33 The Power of Friendship

In this episode, we explore the significance of friendship as a vital conduit for personal growth. The conversation touches on my upcoming book, “The Five Doors of Friendship,” which examines various facets of friendship, including play, inspiration, and generosity. As Tami and Karen share their experiences, we delve into how friendship can serve as a reflection of our self-worth and personal growth. The dialogue reveals that true friendships thrive when built on mutual respect and a shared vision for growth, serving as a support system during challenging times.

Tami and Karen also emphasize the importance of mentorship, discussing how their long-standing friendship has allowed them to grow both individually and collectively. Their journey together illustrates how life’s challenges can forge deeper bonds and inspire transformative changes. Through their stories, we gain insights into how to attract meaningful relationships by elevating our own frequencies and being open to connections that align with our values and aspirations.

As they discuss the challenges of maintaining self-worth while navigating relationships, Tami and Karen provide strategies for individuals seeking to cultivate new friendships or mentorships. They encourage listeners to recognize their inherent value and to seek out those who reflect their energies and ambitions. Throughout the episode, we touch on the dual nature of friendship—how it requires both courage and vulnerability, and how, at times, the friction within relationships can ultimately lead to greater understanding and growth.

The episode is rich with insights on the power of friendship as a source of strength and inspiration, resonating with the theme of our community’s growth. As we look toward the future and the release of my book, I’m excited to share this journey and encourage listeners to open themselves to the possibilities that await through authentic relationships. The conversation continues into the next episode as we further explore the transformative power of mentorship and inspiration, inviting you to join us in discovering the doors that lead to deeper connections and personal growth.

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

• Adventure
•  Freedom of Expression
•  Exploration and Fun
•  Body Movement
•  New circles of friends
•  Deep love relationships

[TESSA] In this episode of the Open Nesters podcast, we delve into the rich and intricate world of modern relationships through the lens of our remarkable guests, CJ and Linwood. Their story began with an online meeting that blossomed into a deep connection spanning continents—from Australia to California—demonstrating that love knows no borders. We explore their unique journey through non-monogamy, the courage to redefine relationships, and the ongoing discoveries about their identities.

Meet CJ and Linwood

No Shame Tackling Sex Taboos (Season 6 | Episode 234)

As we revisit CJ and Linwood’s candid conversation, they share insights into their lives as open nesters, emphasizing the idea that rather than feeling empty, they see themselves as open to new experiences and possibilities. They articulate how important it is to maintain vibrant relationships with their children and communicate openly about their evolving dynamics. CJ, who has embraced her bisexuality and the concept of non-monogamy, discusses how this openness has influenced her interactions with her sons, creating a dialogue about relationships that transcends traditional boundaries.

1:52 Meet CJ and Linwood 15:53 Discovering Kinks and Connections 27:15 Exploring Life as Open Nesters 34:57 The Work of a Sex Coach 38:03 Advice for Open Nesters 43:29 Reflections on Courage and Adventure

The episode paints a vivid picture of CJ and Linwood’s journey—navigating love, kink, and their respective roles within a DS dynamic. CJ shares her fascinating backstory, recounting how her exploration into her own desires led her to Linwood, and how their relationship grew despite the challenges imposed by distance and external circumstances like the pandemic. Linwood reflects on his Australian roots and the cultural differences that have shaped their dynamic, adding his unique perspective to the conversation.

Throughout the discussion, they unpack what it means to communicate boundaries and desires in relationships. Their experiences reveal the importance of honest dialogue, especially when exploring non-monogamy. Their take on defining relationships and expectations fosters a profound understanding of what it means to create a meaningful partnership today.

CJ also touches on her work as a sex coach, highlighting her desire to assist individuals who grapple with shame around their sexuality. She shares how her journey as a phone sex operator has provided her with an unexpected understanding of men’s desires for connection and submission. The episode emphasizes the need for honest communication and the exploration of personal identities, making it clear that transformation often begins with the courage to ask difficult questions.

As we bring the episode to a close, both CJ and Linwood offer invaluable advice to those navigating similar paths. They underscore the importance of self-awareness and the need to cultivate an open mind as one transitions into the open nesting stage. With their story serving as a beacon of hope and inspiration, listeners are encouraged to embrace their authenticity and forge connections that reflect their true selves.

By the end of this captivating episode, it becomes evident that for CJ and Linwood, love is not bound by convention or geography. Rather, it is an evolving adventure, ripe with endless possibilities and the continual pursuit of fulfillment and joy in life and relationships.

About Tessa

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

• Adventure
•  Freedom of Expression
•  Exploration and Fun
•  Body Movement
•  New circles of friends
•  Deep love relationships

[TESSA] In this episode, we dive deep into the transformative journey of life as open nesters, exploring how the post-childrearing phase can open doors to new relationships and adventures. As my partner and I embrace this new chapter, we firmly believe that it is not just a transition, but an opportunity to enrich our lives beyond the conventional notions of empty nesting. The conversation aims to inspire others to see this stage as a vibrant exploration of personal growth, travel, and connection with family and friends.

Meet Dr. Laurie Mintz.

I have the pleasure of welcoming Dr. Laurie Mintz, a renowned psychologist and sex therapist, who brings a wealth of knowledge about women’s sexuality, especially as they navigate aging and menopause. Dr. Mintz shares her insights on maintaining intimacy and sexual connection in long-term relationships, emphasizing the importance of presence and communication. She discusses her personal experiences as a mother to adult daughters and how these experiences enrich her understanding of the desire to lead a fulfilling life both within and outside of the bedroom.

A significant theme of our discussion is the intersection of sexuality and aging. Dr. Mintz offers valuable advice on managing the physical changes that come with menopause, addressing issues that many women face regarding sexual health and pleasure. She explains the concept of genitourinary syndrome of menopause, demystifying its effects on intimacy and providing practical solutions, including hormone treatments and the importance of using lubricants and vibrators to enhance sexual experience.

We explore the impact of SSRIs (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) on sexual health, as Dr. Mintz opens up about her own journey of managing the side effects of medication that affected her orgasmic capacity. She shares breakthroughs she discovered through her connections in the medical community, including innovative products designed to enhance women’s sexual health. Her passion for empowering women to reclaim their sexual pleasure is evident as she discusses the upcoming launch of a groundbreaking program aimed at helping women who have experienced sexuality challenges due to various factors, including stress and hormonal changes.

Throughout our conversation, we emphasize the importance of novelty and creativity in intimate relationships. Dr. Mintz reveals the science behind how engaging in new experiences together can enhance intimacy and connection, proving that maintaining an exciting sex life requires effort, but it is utterly rewarding. We touch on the mental aspects of sexual pleasure, encouraging listeners to cultivate mindfulness and to focus on sensations rather than distractions in order to fully embrace their experiences.

The episode concludes with actionable advice for women seeking to navigate their changing bodies and relationships, coupled with the reminder that open communication is paramount for intimacy. I leave listeners with the hope that they will approach their own transitions with an open heart, inspired by the possibilities of this expansive life phase.

For those interested in furthering their understanding of these themes, Dr. Mintz provides information on how to connect with her through social media and her website, where followers can learn more about her work. The insights gained in this episode are not just informative; they invite reflection and dialogue on the beauty of aging and the pivotal moments that define our journey as individuals and partners.

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

• Adventure
•  Freedom of Expression
•  Exploration and Fun
•  Body Movement
•  New circles of friends
•  Deep love relationships

Junie shares her vision of midlife as a reboot, a time to reflect on our identities after years of nurturing others. Through her personal anecdotes, she illustrates the emotional complexities associated with this stage of life, including the bittersweet experiences of grief and loss, as well as the exhilarating possibilities for renewal and reinvention. We discuss the importance of self-awareness and building healthy relationships, addressing the challenges that many face upon leaving traditional roles behind.

The episode invites listeners to discover their "love avatar," a concept designed to help individuals understand their desires and navigate the often daunting world of dating. Junie recounts her own experiences with love, relationships, and the process of developing a deeper understanding of what truly makes her happy. The discussion extends to the dynamics of partnership as we age, reflecting on how our needs, desires, and definitions of love evolve over time.

Throughout the conversation, we unpack the concept of shadow work, a transformative practice that allows individuals to confront their fears and insecurities. Junie emphasizes the importance of being gentle with oneself during this process, encouraging listeners to acknowledge their emotions—be it grief, joy, or vulnerability—as part of the larger human experience. She offers practical insights on how to cultivate emotional strength and resilience in the face of life's uncertainties.

The episode challenges cultural norms around relationships and encourages open dialogue about desires and preferences. As we navigate the complexities of dating, Junie reminds us to embrace authenticity and hold space for both our flaws and strengths. This journey towards self-discovery and love is not just about finding a partner but about understanding and healing oneself first.

Listeners leave this episode with a roadmap for their next chapter, inspired by Junie’s wisdom and guidance. The conversation elucidates the need to be kind to oneself while journeying through life's transitions, underscoring the beauty that comes from embracing vulnerability and celebrating every emotional experience. Whether you are just starting to explore midlife or seeking to deepen your existing relationships, this episode serves as an essential guide to understanding the transformative power of love and self-acceptance.

Jason discusses his unique approach to coaching, focusing on conscious communication and self-esteem. Drawing from his background, which includes influences from the pickup artist community, he emphasizes the importance of authenticity over tactics. We dive into the distinction between feeling one's true value and resorting to tricks or strategies that may mask insecurities. Jason illustrates this point with personal anecdotes, recounting his own transformation from feeling socially awkward to confidently engaging in relationships.

The conversation shifts to the nuances of dating in our later years, particularly for women as they navigate a landscape where societal expectations often undervalue them. Jason expresses empathy towards their struggles and highlights the significance of developing a supportive network. We discuss the metaphor of a seesaw to explain relational dynamics, where the way we present ourselves can impact how we are perceived and valued in social contexts. The principles he outlines serve as a guide for those looking to improve their relational experiences—encouraging curiosity and openness while reducing the tendency to engage in negative self-talk.

Throughout the episode, we touch on common frustrations faced by individuals re-entering the dating scene. Jason provides actionable advice aimed at building genuine connections through improved social skills and emotional awareness. He encourages listeners to recognize their intrinsic worth, emphasizing that it is not only about finding a partner but also about creating richer, more satisfying experiences with those around us. By learning to communicate authentically and confidently, we open doors to better relationships not only with potential partners but also with ourselves and our families.

As we wind down the conversation, Jason shares his own story of vulnerability and growth, underscoring the importance of being authentic in romantic pursuits. His journey through personal challenges and eventual transformation highlights the deep connections that can form when we show our true selves. We conclude with a call to action, encouraging individuals to seek communities that foster growth and connection during these pivotal stages of life—further proving that life after kids can indeed be life wide open, filled with potential and enriching experiences.

[TESSA] In this episode of the Open Nester Podcast, we engage with Kim DeYoung, a choice coach and author, who shares her insights on navigating life transitions in the open nester phase. As we explore the themes of vibrant health, relationships, and self-discovery, Kim illustrates how redefining our perspectives on aging can lead to a life full of possibilities. She emphasizes the transformation from being “empty nesters” to “open nesters,” highlighting a newfound freedom to seek new adventures and experiences as children leave home.

We delve into the concept of choice, focusing on Kim’s philosophy and methodologies surrounding decision-making. With her own rich life experiences as a newly remarried mother of three young adults, Kim has developed a unique framework that encourages individuals to become more intentional in their choices. She discusses her journey of writing “The Book of Choice,” which blossomed from her decade-long dedication to understanding how choices can shape our lives. The book offers practical tools, including a technique known as choice mapping, guiding readers to explore the depth of their decisions.

Through a thought-provoking conversation, we touch upon the nuances of fostering deeper relationships with family. Kim shares personal anecdotes about guiding her children through their own decision-making processes, emphasizing the importance of cultivating autonomy. This aspect of her coaching methodology taps into the innate courage required to embrace risk and lean into uncertainty, especially for those in the late 50s and 60s who are exploring new chapters in their lives.

We further reflect on the dynamics of modern parenting and intergenerational relationships; Kim offers guidance on allowing grown children to experience their choices without parental attachment to outcomes. The dialogue showcases the profound impact that curiosity and compassionate inquiry can have on our relationships, shifting the focus from control to understanding. Kim believes in the power of asking intentional questions to encourage her children and clients to unravel their desires and aspirations.

Throughout the episode, we tackle the complexities of risk and the idea of stepping into the unknown. Kim gives practical examples of how one can innovate their life path while grounding decisions in self-awareness and authentic values. Listeners are encouraged to take small yet significant steps toward realizing their passions, whether it’s dating after divorce or exploring new career options—a testament to the idea that life is about trial and error and continuous discovery.

To conclude our conversation, Kim invites everyone to connect with her through her vibrant presence on social media and to look out for her book, which serves as a comprehensive guide to navigating choices across various life stages. We hope this episode inspires you to embrace your open-nester journey with an open heart and a curious mind, reminding you that every choice holds the potential for remarkable growth and fulfillment.

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

• Adventure
•  Freedom of Expression
•  Exploration and Fun
•  Body Movement
•  New circles of friends
•  Deep love relationships

Barbara reflects on the intersection of sexuality and aging, leaning into her expertise in Urban Tantra, a practice that integrates sexuality with a broader understanding of intimacy and connection. She emphasizes the importance of transition, inviting listeners to consider the shifts our bodies undergo as we age and the joy that can still be found amid these changes. Through her teachings, she encourages radical acceptance, asking us to look past perceived limitations and embrace the opportunities that come with aging, whether that’s in our professional lives or our personal relationships.

A significant part of our discussion centers on Barbara’s new book, "The Book of Ecstasy," where she expands upon themes from her previous work, "Ecstasy Is Necessary." This new installment delves into how pleasure is experienced differently throughout life and how these changes can open doors to new sources of joy and ecstasy. It’s not only about maintaining a connection to our past desires but also about finding new ways to experience pleasure—what Barbara refers to as the "learning radical acceptance."

During our conversation, Barbara shares poignant personal stories, like her unexpected journey into horseback riding during the pandemic, which reminded her of the importance of pursuing childhood dreams. This narrative serves as a reminder that the things we once set aside can re-emerge in our lives in meaningful ways, fostering a sense of joy and excitement despite the physical challenges we may encounter.

We touch on how the concept of ecstasy is not solely linked to pleasure but is also about being open to the paradoxes in life—the joy interwoven with grief, the light with the dark. Through Tantra, Barbara illustrates that ecstatic experiences can arise even from sorrow and loss, redefining our relationship with our emotions and experiences. We acknowledge how vital community support is, particularly in instances of health challenges, and how social media can provide a platform for shared experiences and encouragement.

Finally, we discuss the nuances of 'ecstasy drop'—the emotional downturn that can follow intense ecstatic experiences—and how to navigate this often-overlooked aspect of our emotional journeys. Barbara's insights help illuminate paths for listeners who may feel overwhelmed by the highs and lows of life, encouraging them to seek support and connection.

Through this enlightening dialogue, Barbara Corrales provides listeners with ample permission to explore new aspects of intimacy, pleasure, and joy as they navigate the stages of their lives. She encourages us all to keep our hearts open and to trust that new and fulfilling paths await, supported by community and understanding.

[TESSA] In this enlightening episode, we dive deep into the evolving conversations surrounding sex, aging, and the open nest lifestyle with Suzanne Noble, a trailblazer in advocating for older adults embracing their sexuality. As a returning guest, Suzanne shares her journey since our last chat, discussing how her experiences have shaped her understanding of intimacy in later life. We explore the idea of being “open nesters” and how it reflects a new chapter filled with opportunities for growth, connection, and reinforced relationships with partners and family.

SEX AFTER 50

Suzanne recounts the inception of her podcast, born out of her open relationship and a desire to discuss sex among older individuals. Following the release of the film “Good Luck to You, Leo Grande,” which centers around a 61-year-old woman’s journey to sexual fulfillment, Suzanne found herself thrust into the spotlight as a relatable voice for women discussing sex and aging. This episode chronicles her evolution as a content creator, detailing how she transitioned from starting this project with a partner to eventually providing insights and reflections independently, underscoring her status as a vital resource in the realm of sexual health for older adults.

We delve into the often stigmatized subjects of erectile dysfunction and vaginal atrophy, with Suzanne sharing that these issues affect roughly 50% of individuals over 50. Reflecting on her personal experiences and those of her guests, she emphasizes the importance of open conversations surrounding these challenges. This dialogue highlights the lack of medical support and resources available to older adults, urging the need for healthcare providers to prioritize discussions about intimate health and pleasure as people age.

Throughout the episode, we explore the notion of redefining pleasure beyond traditional paradigms, encouraging listeners to embrace a broader understanding of sexual intimacy that isn’t solely orgasm-centered. The discussion shifts towards the importance of maintaining curiosity and communication within intimate relationships, emphasizing how these elements can enhance sexual experiences as people navigate changes in their desires and bodies.

As the conversation flows, Suzanne shares her insights on mens’ roles in these conversations, particularly around penile health, while shedding light on tools like penis pumps and cock rings. We also touch on the importance of body confidence as we age, reflecting on communal spaces, such as nudist retreats, that celebrate diverse bodies and foster acceptance. This acceptance, Suzanne demonstrates, can empower individuals to express their needs and desires boldly, a pivotal aspect of healthy, fulfilling relationships.

The episode concludes with reflections on the power of identity transformation in the later stages of life. Suzanne discusses her current casual relationship, emphasizing how this stage is about enjoying shared experiences and prioritizing pleasure in new and enlightening ways. This openness and self-acceptance, she argues, are essential for anyone navigating the complexities of intimacy in their golden years.

With her enthusiastic and candid approach, Suzanne Noble provides inspiration for those in the open nest stage of life to reclaim their narratives around sexuality and aging, encouraging them to engage in meaningful conversations and experiences without shame. Tune in to discover how embracing curiosity, compassion, and courage can transform the landscape of intimacy for older adults.

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

• Adventure
•  Freedom of Expression
•  Exploration and Fun
•  Body Movement
•  New circles of friends
•  Deep love relationships

THE PATH

[TESSA] As we navigate the season of “Love Month” here at the Open Nesters, I find myself reflecting deeply on what it means to truly inhabit our bodies and our relationships as we age. I recently had the pleasure of sitting down with Maria Merloni, a therapist and sex and relationship coach who is redefining what it looks like to turn sixty with vitality, grace, and an open heart. Maria’s journey is a powerful reminder that our “second act” in love can often be more profound and fulfilling than our first, provided we are willing to do the cellular work required to heal and grow.

BACK TO PLEASURE AND TRUST

One of the most striking parts of our conversation was Maria’s transparency about her own path to finding a healthy partnership. After a first marriage and a cycle of dating men with unhealed addictions, she realized she wasn’t “bad at picking men”—she was actually picking the exact right people to point her toward her own unhealed childhood trauma. By engaging in deep, somatic therapy, she broke that cycle and eventually met her husband, Paul, at a Tantra gathering. Her story beautifully illustrates that when we heal our internal landscape, the external world—and the partners we attract—changes to meet us.

Maria and Paul’s relationship is a masterclass in intentionality. They don’t just “exist” together; they celebrate what they call a “Relationship Party” every week. While many couples only discuss the logistics of finances or children, Maria and Paul use this time to check in on their spiritual development, their health goals, and how they are feeling within the relationship itself. It turns the implicit into the explicit, ensuring that no resentment builds and that both partners feel seen and cherished. It’s a practice I believe every Open Nestor could benefit from as we redefine our lives after the kids have flown the nest.

Beyond the home, Maria and Paul have embraced the freedom of the Open Nest by becoming “home exchangers,” traveling the world from Bali to Hawaii while working virtually. This sense of adventure isn’t just about the stamps in a passport; it’s about a lifestyle of “life wide open.” They’ve turned their home into a sanctuary for the community, hosting non-sexual “cuddle parties” to address the touch-deprivation so common in our modern, tech-heavy world. This commitment to service and connection is a beautiful example of how we can use our wisdom years to foster community and healing for others.

We also dove into the vital topic of embodiment and “Yoni Massage,” a practice Maria teaches to help women reconnect with their bodies. For many of us, aging can bring physical changes—menopause, dryness, or a sense of disconnection—that make us feel less “sensual.” Maria reclaims this not just as a sexual act, but as a spiritual and healing practice. She explained how “stuck energy” from past traumas can live in our tissues, and how gentle, intentional massage can release that energy, balance hormones naturally, and open up new pathways for pleasure that many women never even knew were possible.

It was refreshing to hear Maria debunk the “malarkey” of the patriarchy regarding women’s sexual potential. She reminded me that our power is often tied to our sexual functioning and our ability to feel pleasure, yet we have been conditioned to feel shame or believe we have limitations. Whether it’s exploring the lost art of the “sacred spot” or simply learning to love our bodies as they are today, the journey toward sexual empowerment doesn’t have an expiration date. At 64, I find myself constantly learning new ways to appreciate my own “juiciness” and presence, and Maria’s work is a guiding light for that exploration.

We closed our talk with a beautiful sentiment from her husband, Paul: the intention to “make every moment sacred.” Despite the very real hardships life has thrown their way—including the loss of a child and family health struggles—they choose to remain present. Using techniques from Tantra, they focus on the “now,” whether that’s the color of the morning sky or the sensation of breath. As Open Nesters, we have the choice to stay stuck in the grief of the “empty” nest or to awaken to the divinity in every moment. I am choosing the latter, and I hope Maria’s wisdom inspires you to do the same.

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

• Adventure
•  Freedom of Expression
•  Exploration and Fun
•  Body Movement
•  New circles of friends
•  Deep love relationships

In Season 3, Episode 116, "Wild Monogamy," hosts Tessa and Amir dive deep into the idea that staying committed to one person doesn’t have to mean sacrificing passion or adventure. Mali and Joe, authors of The Soulmate Experience, share their journey of nearly two decades, proving that erotic connection can actually intensify over time. Their philosophy centers on the idea that monogamy isn't a restrictive cage, but rather a safe container within which partners can be as "wild" and expressive as they choose to be.

One of the most moving stories shared in the episode involves the struggle with aging bodies—a common hurdle for "open nesters" over 60. Mali describes the vulnerability of dealing with a sagging or changing physique, only for her partner Joe to respond by photographing her from every angle. By seeing her body through his eyes—as a work of art, wet and dry, inside and out—she was able to shed her insecurities. This "wild" act of radical acceptance is a core pillar of their message: intimacy thrives when we stop hiding and start showing up fully.

The episode explains that "Wild Monogamy" is about cultivating erotic intimacy to keep desire alive without necessarily looking outside the relationship. It’s the "monogamous" version of a play party—where you might go to a spicy event but choose to only play with your partner. By bringing that level of intentionality, fantasy, and novelty back into the bedroom, couples can bypass the boredom that often plagues long-term unions.

Mali and Joe emphasize that this doesn't happen by accident. It requires a continuous conversation about love, sex, and connection. They’ve dedicated their lives to coaching couples on how to move past the jealousy, inhibition, and shame that often tangle up our sexuality. For them, "wildness" is a practice of being present and adventurous within the safety of your primary bond, ensuring that the "magical feeling" of dating never truly ends.

For those in the "Act III" of their lives—the empty nesters—this message is particularly resonant. Tessa and Amir highlight that this stage of life is an opportunity for a "new nesting" experience. It’s a time to ask what you need to open up in your life, your body, and your spirit. Whether it’s through body movement, sensory exploration, or deepening your erotic connection, the goal is to live with an open heart and a sense of play.

Ultimately, "Wild Monogamy" serves as a reminder that your primary relationship can be the greatest adventure of your life. By choosing to be "wild" with one another, couples can transform a decades-old partnership into a vibrant, ever-evolving romance. If you’re looking to reignite that spark and move beyond the "empty" in empty nesting, this episode offers a roadmap for keeping the fire burning bright through every season of life.

As our conversation unfolds, Jesse discusses his journey to embracing the open nester lifestyle, which he describes as facing new adventures rather than feeling the void of an empty nest. We emphasize that this stage of life allows for deeper exploration of personal identity, relationships, and experiences. His candid recount of a conversation with his youngest daughter reveals the profound shifts that have occurred as their family structure changes. What began as a necessary adjustment for their circumstances evolved into a broader understanding of freedom, support, and connection, prompting Jesse to reassess his role as a father and an individual.

We dive deeper into Jesse's relational intelligence, which has transformed through his exploration of non-monogamy and the concept of polyamory. He details his experiences in these realms, emphasizing that non-monogamous relationships aren't just about sexual freedom but also about the capacity to love and connect with multiple partners in diverse ways. Jesse articulates a distinction between non-monogamy, which often entails sexual relationships, and polyamory, which focuses on loving connections without a sexual component. This insight prompts a broader discussion about the rich, fluid nature of love and the importance of understanding our desires and boundaries within these structures.

Throughout the episode, we explore Jesse's six principles of sexual health and how these guidelines can foster better communication and ultimately healthier relationships. Consent, non-exploitation, honesty, shared values, protection, and pleasure serve as essential pillars for navigating the complexities of intimacy. Jesse introduces the RBDSM-T framework, urging listeners to bring explicit conversations to dating and relationships. He highlights that understanding the meanings behind our interactions, setting clear boundaries, and addressing past traumas are crucial for nurturing connections—even in long-term relationships.

As the discussion progresses, Jesse shares poignant reflections about his estranged relationships with his older daughters and how the principles of radical honesty and patience have played a pivotal role in rebuilding those connections. He emphasizes the importance of creating space for his children to engage with him on their terms, acknowledging the challenges and emotional weight involved in such situations.

Listeners seeking guidance or inspiration are encouraged to connect with Jesse through his website, where he offers workshops and resources aimed at enhancing sexual health and communication in relationships. He also shares his upcoming appearances at festivals, demonstrating his commitment to spreading awareness about the complexities of modern relationships, the importance of emotional intelligence, and fostering a deeper understanding of love.

In sum, this episode serves as an enlightening reminder of the evolving landscape of relationships as we transition through different life stages. Jesse’s insights challenge conventional norms while promoting the idea that love, whether sexual or platonic, can take many forms, each deserving of respect and consideration.

One of the most profound takeaways from our conversation was Laura’s perspective on secure attachment and how we model it for our children, even as they become adults. She described secure attachment as the "net underneath them," providing a sanctuary of comfort and trust so they know they are never alone in the world. For those of us struggling with the quiet of the house, Laura offered a beautiful reminder: we must provide reassurance of unconditional love, regardless of our children's successes or failures. It is about "being with the moment" and accepting our role as a steady presence in their lives, even as they build their own worlds.

We also dove deep into the mechanics of long-term partnership, particularly the Gottman concept of "bids for attention". Laura calls these "micro-bursts of connection"—tiny actions like a winky-face text or a hug that lasts longer than twenty seconds to release oxytocin. These small gestures are the currency of love, and they don't take much time, yet they set a precedent of warmth in a relationship. After the kids leave, it is vital to redirect that energy we once gave to our children back toward each other, actively cherishing the love we have built.

The part of the interview that truly stayed with me—and that my co-host Amir and I are still digesting—is the idea that most conflict stems from a dream that is not being actualized. Laura explained that ongoing, distressing conflicts are often about a deep purpose or desire that is being suppressed. She shared a powerful "Dream Catcher" exercise where one partner acts as the dreamer and the other listens with deep curiosity, asking questions about the "why" and the "excitement" behind the dream rather than focusing on the logistics or the "how". This shift from "stop doing this" to "this is why I need this for my soul" changes the entire landscape of compromise.

We also touched on the importance of transparency and honesty regarding our individual core needs versus our areas of flexibility. Laura noted that when we give up a core need, we are essentially giving up our "bones and body," moving out of integrity with ourselves. However, when we understand our partner’s ultimate dreams, we find the motivation to be flexible in other areas—like my recent month-long solo trip to the ocean, a gift of "compersion" from my husband that brought renewed love and patience back into our primary partnership.

As we wrapped up, Laura reminded us that the heart is a muscle that requires proactive exercise. Whether it is practicing "extreme gratitude" or engaging in "skydiving listening," the goal is to expand our capacity for love through consistent, intentional action. I encourage you to check out Laura’s website, LauraSilverstein.com, or follow her "Laura’s Love Advice" on social media for more pragmatic tips on comforting those in pain and building inclusive, communicative relationships

Welcome back to the Open Nesters podcast, where we are flipping the script on aging and trading an "empty" nest for a life wide open. This month, we have been diving deep into the theme of courage, and I can’t think of a more vital conversation than the one I recently had with Ukumbwa Sauti. Ukumbwa is a consultant, educator, and a leader in men’s work who is helping us look at the "third act" of our lives through a lens of awareness and radical compassion.

The "genesis moment" for Ukumbwa’s lifelong mission happened decades ago when he realized that nearly every woman he knew had experienced some form of sexual assault or harassment. This shocking realization led him to dedicate his life to education and media literacy, focusing on how we define "normal" behavior. In our interview, he shared a powerful story from his days teaching higher education where a simple question about consent was met with a long, chilling silence. It’s a stark reminder that we are still pushing a boulder uphill when it comes to understanding boundaries.

One of the most profound concepts Ukumbwa introduced is "radical compassion"—the ability to respect the experiences of people we don’t even know. For men in the open nesting stage, this means moving beyond the excuse of "I didn't know". It’s about being willing to hold up a mirror to our own behaviors and the systems of patriarchy that have affected us all. As Ukumbwa noted, many women our age have reached a breaking point because their partners refused to grow and evolve alongside them.

This lack of growth is a major contributor to the rising rates of "grey divorce". It is a staggering reality that 40% of divorces now occur among those over 50, with women initiating two-thirds of these splits. Women are often simply "fed up" with partners who remain stagnant or dismissive of their need for equality and respect. Embracing open nesting means being brave enough to address these intimacy gaps and do the internal, spiritual, and emotional work required to sustain a healthy partnership.

For the men listening, Ukumbwa’s message is clear: learn to listen. Whether it’s through joining a men’s group, reading works by authors like bell hooks, or simply engaging in open, heart-centered conversations with friends, the tools for growth are available. He shared a beautiful story of his own men’s group providing him with caretaking and "manicures in bed" during a hospital stay, proving that masculinity can include tenderness and mutual support.

As we move into February and focus on love and relationships, I challenge you to consider your own legacy. What kind of role model are you for your adult children and grandchildren? True courage is not just about big adventures; it’s about the willingness to be conscious, to admit when we are wrong, and to speak up for equality. Let’s keep opening doors to better relationships and endless possibilities

We dove deep into the complex world of motherhood—to explore how this role often consumes our identity for decades. Joy shares the raw, honest truth about the "redundancy" many of us feel when our children grow older. It can be an almost impossible shift to move from the physical and emotional all-consumption of active parenting to a life where that role is no longer necessary in the same way.

Joy’s personal journey is a masterclass in finding the "self" at the center of the roles projected onto us. She defines motherhood simply as being in relationship to another, regardless of how that relationship began or what form it takes. As her own four children have grown into their late twenties and thirties, she has had to learn the difficult art of adjustment, using tools like cultivating her own passions and finding serenity through spiritual programs like Al-Anon.

One of the most striking parts of our talk was Joy’s take on modern relationships and her rejection of traditional marriage. She spoke beautifully about seeking "great love"—the kind of love that pushes you out of your comfort zone and requires you to show up with integrity and consciousness. It was so illuminating to hear how she and her partner, despite being on opposite ends of the political spectrum, find deep connection through simple kindness and shared values.

For those of you looking to explore these themes further, Joy is continuing her work by launching online classes through the Museum of Motherhood website this summer. She encourages everyone, especially "women of a certain age," to be brave, be expansive, and stop repeating patterns that no longer serve them. Whether it's through art, study, or simply trying to live on your own, there are so many ways to "show up" for yourself in this new stage of life.

We are so grateful to Joy for her wisdom and for helping us "unlabel" the judgments we often place on ourselves and others. As we move forward, I hope you’ll join us in witnessing the growth of our families and ourselves with open hearts and fewer expectations.

One of the most striking takeaways from Martha was her "pod" concept for social wellness. She maintains distinct groups—or pods—for her various interests, ranging from watercolor painting and Torah study to tennis and book clubs. These aren't just hobbies; they are vital lifelines that prevent the isolation so often associated with aging. Martha’s vibrancy at 85 is a testament to the fact that we must continuously invest in our social circles. As my co-host Amir noted, these relationships are essential to our survival and longevity, yet they require a conscious commitment to cultivate as our lives evolve.

We also explored the concept of "resilient aging," which requires an honest look at our changing physical rhythms. Martha and her husband, Bert, who is nearly 90, haven't stopped doing what they love, like fishing; they have simply adapted. They’ve found guides who understand their "frailties" and allow them to start later or end earlier. This radical honesty—acknowledging that "getting old ain't for sissies"—allows them to remain active participants in their own lives. By viewing the body not as an enemy but as a partner that requires different care, they model a graceful way to let go of old habits while welcoming new experiences.

The conversation took a deeply courageous turn as we discussed the importance of transparency regarding death and dying. Laura and Martha speak comfortably about these "inevitable possibilities," ensuring that family values—rather than fear—drive their future decisions. Laura shared her commitment to ensuring that her relationship with her brother remains "healthy and whole" after their parents are gone, which requires having these tough conversations now. This level of integrity and proactive communication is what truly defines a legacy. It’s about making the path smoother for those we love by honoring our values above our own immediate comfort.

As we wrapped up, I was left reflecting on how much we can learn when we witness aging with compassion rather than judgment. Whether it is Martha learning from Laura's modern communication style or Laura gaining a "glimpse" into her own future through her mother’s journey, the intergenerational bond is a powerful tool for growth. Aging is a process, not a destination, and it is happening every single day. I invite you to join our community on Instagram or visit our website to share how you are moving into your open nest with curiosity and courage. Until next time, remember to keep your life wide open to endless possibility.

Are you ready to flip the script on aging and discover a life wide open? On this episode of The Open Nesters Podcast, hosts Tessa and Amir welcome back a true legend of the open road, Palle Bo. Palle is the definition of an "Open Nester"—someone who decided that once the kids flew the coop, it was time to open the door to endless possibilities. 

Known as the "Radio Vagabond," Palle traded his secure life in Denmark for a global adventure that has taken him to over 100 countries. Whether you are dreaming of selling it all or just taking a longer vacation, his story is bound to inspire your inner nomad.

You might assume that traveling the world requires a massive bank account, but Palle busts that myth right away. Back in 2016, after his youngest child moved out, he sold his house, car, and furniture to live out of a suitcase. Surprisingly, he spends about half of what he used to spend living a "normal" life in Denmark. 

He isn't retired; he’s a digital nomad who runs a production company from his laptop, proving that you really can work from anywhere—whether that’s a cafe in Colombia or a road trip through Saudi Arabia.

However, Palle is quick to point out that this lifestyle requires a bit of mindfulness to truly enjoy it. He talks candidly about "travel fatigue" and the importance of slowing down to "get the hunger back". If he finds himself staring at a beautiful waterfall and not feeling the magic, he knows it’s time to check into a hostel and do absolutely nothing for a while. As Tessa notes, meaningful travel isn’t about rushing through a checklist; it’s about staying long enough that the local coffee shop guy knows your name.

One of the biggest fears Open Nesters face is losing touch with their children, but Palle’s experience has been the exact opposite. He reveals that he actually speaks to his kids more now than he did when they were all living under the same roof. They think it's pretty cool to have a dad out exploring the world, and they even plan epic meet-ups, like an upcoming road trip across the UK. It turns out that distance doesn't have to mean disconnection; in fact, it can spark a whole new kind of adult relationship.

Before you rush to pack your bags, Palle offers some honest advice: this life isn't for everyone. If you love your own bed and the convenience of next-day Amazon deliveries, you might prefer a home base. But if you are curious, he suggests testing the waters by renting out your place for six months before burning any bridges. To hear more about his incredible journey—from Maasai villages to digital nomad conferences—be sure to check out Palle Bo's own show, The Radio Vagabond Podcast. Safe travels!

We engage in a heartfelt conversation with our daughter, discussing the significance of courage as we navigate this stage of life. Through her perspective, we examine the nuanced understanding of what it means to be courageous—not simply in terms of risk-taking, but in fostering deeper connections within our family. Our daughter's mention of her friends' curiosity about our polyamorous relationship prompts us to clarify: while our experiences do involve aspects of sexuality, this discussion transcends mere lifestyle choices and invites us to probe the courage it takes to be vulnerable and authentic.

As we reflect on our individual journeys through different acts of our lives, we share profound insights about courage’s evolution over time—from bold moves in our youth to choosing growth and authenticity in our current stage. We unpack how the lessons learned from past decisions empower us to face our fears and embrace new challenges. This touches on the critical distinction between whimsical risk-taking and the true essence of courage: acknowledging fear and pressing forward regardless.

An essential aspect of our dialogue is centered on the micro-courage found in everyday choices, alongside the grander acts that define our paths. We explore how our personal growth is mirrored in our relationships—not just with each other, but with our children and our extended families. Our commitments to communication, understanding fears, and taking calculated risks serve to reinforce the bonds that keep our family dynamic rich and supportive.

Our conversation also touches upon the shadow side of courage—fear. We reflect on how we each grapple with our fears and the various methods we employ to address them. This includes using emotional awareness and communication to tackle uncertainties accompanying changes in our relationship and our lifestyle choices. An acknowledgment emerges that navigating through fear often requires the same courage we seek to showcase in our life choices, underscoring the complex interplay between vulnerability and strength.

As we anticipate the opportunities and challenges of the year ahead, we recognize the importance of manifesting our dreams, both in personal goals and in creating resonance through our podcast. Our aspirations for the Open Nesters community include the development of a TV pilot that reflects our journey and the broader experiences of those embracing this stage of life. By openly sharing our trials and triumphs, we hope to inspire our audience to engage in their own acts of courage.

In closing, this episode serves not only as a personal reflection but also as a collective invitation for our listeners to envision what courage looks like in their lives. We hope you resonate with our message of openness and the understanding that growth, whether through discomfort or joy, is a journey best undertaken with curiosity, compassion, and the unwavering support of those we love.

Aliyah shares her experiences, calling in from Lake Atitlan, Guatemala, where she is building her practice as a licensed psychotherapist. She reflects on her upbringing in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia, describing a nurturing environment fostered by her parents, who consciously shielded her family from societal norms and media influence. This intentional upbringing allowed her to cultivate a deep sense of connection and love within her family, shaping her understanding of life, relationships, and ultimately, her vocation as a healer. Aliyah also candidly discusses the emotional turmoil that arose during her parents' separation, illustrating how such endings can also give rise to profound insights and intergenerational healing.

Hayden, calling in from Durango, Colorado, shares his contrasting background in a more traditional American suburban setting. He recounts his upbringing in a conservative Christian home and the challenges he faced following his parents' divorce at a young age. Through honesty and vulnerability, he discusses the pressures of adhering to societal expectations, particularly in sports, and the mental health struggles that emerged as he sought to carve his own identity amid these narratives. Both he and Aliyah discuss the importance of recognizing and feeling all emotions, including grief and anger, as essential components of personal growth.

As the conversation unfolds, Aliyah and Hayden reveal how their paths converged during a ceremonial Vision Quest, a transformative experience that deepened their connection while allowing them to explore their personal journeys and collective vision for the future. Their partnership is rooted in mutual respect for each other's individuality and a commitment to shared growth, focusing heavily on agreed-upon principles that prioritize personal sovereignty over enmeshment.

Listeners gain insights into how they can foster healthier relationships with their own families and navigate the complexities of adulthood. Aliyah and Hayden emphasize the value of communication, mutual support, and recognizing the unique challenges faced by different generations. They encourage open dialogues around emotions and the importance of creating supportive spaces for one another to thrive.

In the latter part of the episode, the couple shares their aspirations for the future, rooted in the establishment of educational centers focused on eco-cultural regeneration, where individuals can learn to live in harmony with the earth and each other. They provide listeners with resources and platforms to explore these concepts further, inviting the audience to become part of a transformative journey towards personal and collective healing.

This episode is a poignant reminder of the beauty and complexity of relationships and the endless possibilities that arise when we embrace change and foster openness.

Throughout the episode, we share a sampler of impactful moments from previous conversations that have shaped our understanding of living fully in Act 3. Each clip highlights the multitude of experiences that encapsulate the joys, challenges, and revelations of aging. We touch on essential topics such as navigating grief, redefining relationships, and exploring facets of sexuality and vitality as we grow older.

Listeners will hear insights from past guests who discuss various aspects of life in this transitional phase, including the need to shed limiting identities, navigate loss and grief successfully, and embrace the fullness of love and connection. Each snippet provides inspiration, wisdom, and encouragement, fostering a sense of community that fosters growth and openness. We emphasize the importance of sharing our stories and learning from each other's experiences.

We delve into intriguing discussions about intimacy, identity, and the courage to rewrite our life narratives. As we reflect on conversations about monogamy and the exploration of new definitions of love and sex, we encourage listeners to push boundaries and embrace their desires. We want to inspire everyone to take an active role in designing a life that resonates with their true selves, free from societal pressures and expectations.

As the episode unfolds, we invite you to visit our website, where you can access full episodes and explore resources that encourage personal growth and connection. We want to emphasize that this community thrives on your contributions; your experiences matter deeply to us, and we believe that sharing your story can create profound connections with others walking a similar journey. We aim to remind you that no matter where you are in your journey, you're not alone in the path toward openness and renewal.

Finally, we provide a sneak peek into Season 6, where we will continue to explore these vital conversations and offer more excellent resources for building a fulfilling life in this chapter. As we close this episode, we encourage you to reach out, engage with us on social media, and join our growing community of open nesters. Your voice is essential to this journey, and we look forward to hearing your stories as we continue to grow together.

[TESSA] In this episode, I sit down with Laura and Michael Blacken, visionaries behind Temple in the Trees, a vibrant new community center located in Leesburg, Virginia. We delve deep into the philosophy of open nesting—a refreshing take on the empty nester experience, inviting listeners to redefine what this life stage can mean. The Blackens embrace a mindset of unfettered growth and exploration, highlighting how their mid-life journey has been full of new relationships, passions, and adventures. Evolution, Intimacy

Laura and Michael share the inspiring story of how Temple in the Trees came to fruition after a transformational tantric workshop. It began with a simple note passed between them, leading to a shared vision of a sanctuary dedicated to community and tantric learning. Over eight years, their home has blossomed into a beacon for like-minded individuals eager to explore intimacy, connection, and personal growth. We discuss the significance of community collaboration and how their authenticity has attracted a diverse network of people eager to learn, share, and grow together.

EPISODE TIME CODE 1:13 Temple in the Trees 6:34 Finding Community 16:42 Navigating Estrangement 23:18 Coping with Vision Loss 28:33 Intimacy Through Challenges 31:09 Transition from Parent to Participant

As we dive deeper into their personal journeys, Laura and Michael reflect on their blended family dynamics, parenting six children—from a 27-year-old to a high school senior—while navigating the complexities of sibling relationships and individual identities. They candidly address the challenges of estrangement within their family, particularly the difficult path of one of their sons who has stepped away. Through this heartfelt discussion, we explore themes of grief, acceptance, and the importance of honoring one’s personal journey while also nurturing connections.

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The conversation takes a poignant turn as we cover Laura’s struggles with her eyesight, a significant challenge she is currently facing due to a growth affecting her optic nerve. She eloquently describes her journey of adapting to this new reality, finding strength and creativity as she navigates what it means to experience vision—both physically and intuitively. Michael shares his perspective, discussing how their relationship has deepened through these trials and the ways their intimacy has evolved, emphasizing the power of connection beyond traditional notions of physicality.

We also touch on their recent move to New Orleans, where they are in the process of establishing a new branch of their community—Temple by the Water. Amidst the logistical challenges of a cross-town life, both Laura and Michael express excitement about laying down roots in a new city while continuing to foster their expansive community spirit. Their joint ambitions to host creative events and retreats speak to their commitment to artistic expression and personal development.

In wrapping up our conversation, the Blackens impart invaluable insights for listeners navigating their own life transitions. They challenge the notion of identity solely tied to parenthood, advocating instead for an embrace of individualism and active participation in life. The underlying message promotes a sense of participation and connection, encouraging everyone to cultivate relationships that nourish both self and community.

This episode encapsulates the complex layers of transition, poignancy, and resilience that define the open nester experience. By embracing both joy and grief alike, Laura and Michael exemplify how life transitions can serve as catalysts for deeper self-discovery and collective growth. Their story is a testament to the beauty of forging meaningful connections—one that resonates deeply with anyone looking to redefine their journey in the face of change.

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Pam and I discuss her profound insights inspired by her own life experiences, particularly the tragic loss of her daughter Tasman. This pivotal moment has reshaped her perspective, prompting her to reframe loss into a journey of gratitude. We highlight the importance of acknowledging grief while also recognizing the richness of life connections. Pamela elaborates on how gratitude does not have to be a simple checklist but rather a complex embrace of life's paradoxes, allowing for feelings of joy, exhaustion, and everything in between.

The conversation shifts to practical applications of gratitude in daily life. Pam introduces us to her AA 2.0 program, a unique gratitude practice in which participants send texts sharing blessings each day—encouraging mindfulness and fostering community. This practice nurtures a heightened awareness of our surroundings and opens doors to unexpected joy, reinforcing that even in difficult times, there is much to be thankful for.

Additionally, Pam sheds light on her work with the 222 Foundation, a charitable initiative honoring her daughter's legacy by supporting projects that promote creativity and conscious living. She emphasizes the interconnectedness of human experiences and how supporting one another can lead to profound healing. Whether it's through engaging in nature, nurturing friendships, or forming supportive groups, the importance of connection as we navigate this stage of life is underscored.

As we wrap up this enriching conversation, we reflect on the lessons learned throughout Pam's journey and the universal truths that connect us all. This episode invites listeners to embrace the idea of open nesting by seeking new adventures, nurturing relationships, and continuously expressing gratitude—a message that resonates deeply with anyone looking to find meaning and connection in life’s transitions.

Thanksgiving serves as a focal point for families to gather, mending old conflicts and reinforcing bonds. We discuss how the holiday can bring underlying tensions to the surface, often challenging the notion of perfection in familial relationships. Rather than setting unrealistic expectations for harmonious gatherings, we emphasize the need for compassion, curiosity, and acceptance. By holding space for one another, we foster a supportive environment that encourages openness and understanding, particularly as adult children express new identities and beliefs.

The conversation touches on the importance of actively listening to our adult children, recognizing their autonomy while still offering love and support. It's essential to approach familial interactions with curiosity rather than judgment, creating a safe space for discussions—even if those discussions are challenging. Managing expectations is crucial, as acknowledging the natural tensions that arise during family gatherings can help navigate potentially divisive topics with grace and empathy.

Gratitude plays a pivotal role in this episode, as we explore how it can transform family interactions during Thanksgiving. We discuss the difference between surface-level gratitude and a deeper acknowledgment of the meaningful aspects of our relationships. The idea of sharing what we appreciate about one another becomes a powerful tool for fostering connection and positivity within the family unit. By reframing the Thanksgiving experience to include moments of authenticity, we enable the creation of new stories and memories, moving beyond old narratives that may no longer serve us.

We also address the challenges of estrangement and the complex emotions that can accompany family gatherings. The importance of reaching out and attempting to bridge gaps is discussed, along with resources for parents navigating these difficult waters. We highlight the necessity of unconditional love and the patience required in rebuilding strained relationships.

As we reflect on the ever-changing nature of family dynamics, we suggest incorporating humor and levity into Thanksgiving celebrations. The value of laughter, music, and inviting diverse perspectives into the conversation can create an atmosphere conducive to healing. We encourage families to establish boundaries that promote respectful dialogue while remaining flexible enough to adapt to the changing needs of adult children.

Ultimately, we hope that this Thanksgiving serves as an opportunity for families to gather with love and gratitude, embracing the complexity of their relationships without the burden of unrealistic expectations. By showing up authentically and being open to the imperfections of family gatherings, we pave the way for meaningful connections and a deeper appreciation of one another. We invite our listeners to join our community as we continue to navigate this beautiful journey of open nesting together.

We discuss the multi-layered approach to open nesting, examining its psychological and emotional facets. David reflects on his own career shift from a respected PhD in engineering at MIT to a leading figure in the realm of sexuality and relationship coaching. This shift was not just professional for him; it was deeply personal, embodying the essence of vulnerability and the willingness to explore unfamiliar territory. He emphasizes the importance of community and connection, particularly in the context of aging, where reaching out and asking for help becomes a crucial skill.

The conversation naturally progresses to the themes of vitality and BDSM, where David articulates how his coaching helps to rejuvenate individuals’ senses of self and passion. Each person's journey towards understanding their desires is unique, and he highlights the significance of creating a "permission field," allowing individuals to explore and articulate what they truly want. This notion expands into a broader discussion about how curiosity and play are vital components of vitality and emotional well-being, particularly as individuals age.

Through anecdotes including his own experiences with yoga and mindfulness, David conveys a poignant message: the journey to self-discovery is ongoing, and it is never too late to begin. We explore the therapeutic aspects of BDSM, where acts of play can evolve into profound relational dynamics that challenge and heal old wounds. Through the lens of BDSM, he elucidates the concepts of surrender and control, highlighting the transformative power of establishing trust and communication within relationships.

David's approach prioritizes safe and consensual interactions, underscoring the importance of aftercare in the BDSM practice. Aftercare serves as a beautiful counterpart to the intense experiences, ensuring that emotional and physical well-being are preserved. Listeners are provided with valuable insights on navigating grief, anger, and intimate relationships—transforming potential sources of distress into opportunities for connection and joy.

Finally, the episode addresses the need to normalize conversations around BDSM, as it offers avenues for healing and deeper understanding of oneself and one’s partner, particularly for those in the empty nest phase. We encourage open discussions about desires, fears, and fantasies, as this dialogue fosters intimacy and connection. David invites listeners to reflect on their own appetites for exploration and to consider his workshops and retreats as spaces for further personal development.

As we conclude this rich conversation, I emphasize the importance of embodying our life force and reconnecting with the playfulness of our youth. Life, as David suggests, is about the continuous journey of discovery, learning, and growing—an adventure that only begins when we embrace the openness of life beyond the nest.

In this episode of The Open Nesters Podcast, we dive deep into the world of open nesting with a returning guest, Vicki Larson, a researcher and writer who is flipping the script on aging for women. She challenges the stereotype that women over a certain age are invisible, irrelevant, or unworthy of vibrant experiences. Larson presents a powerful narrative that underscores the importance of curiosity, agency, and intention, advocating for a redefined vision of aging that’s far from bleak.

We revisit Larson’s groundbreaking work, “Not Too Old for That,” which seeks to change outdated perceptions of aging women. The discussion pivots to the significant demographic shift that will occur by 2030, where older people, particularly women, will outnumber children for the first time, thus raising essential questions about the future for this empowered group. Larson emphasizes the urgency of developing supportive frameworks and inclusive communities that embrace the realities and contributions of older women, allowing them to shape their narratives rather than being defined by societal norms.

20:20  Explore More

37:32 The Power of Friendship

38:39 Living Apart Together

41:53 Closing Thoughts and Reflections

The conversation also probes deeply into personal journeys and financial realities. Larson shares her own experience navigating financial independence post-divorce, which is a crucial aspect of this conversation. She reflects on the societal barriers that have historically impeded women’s financial literacy and security. With stark honesty, she recounts her awakening to the importance of taking charge of her financial future after a long period of being disengaged from the household finances. This revelation resonates on many levels, demonstrating the need for women to forge a strong financial identity that empowers them well into their later years.

In another layer of the discussion, Larson unpacks the internal prejudices women face as they grow older, including societal pressures around beauty and desirability. She poignantly highlights the harmful impact of ageism and the need for women to create positive narratives about their aging. By showcasing examples of women who have reinvigorated their love lives and friendships later in life, Larson encourages women to reject the notion of being “too old” for romance or connection and instead embrace the abundant opportunities that mature relationships can offer.

Throughout the episode, the emphasis remains on community and the importance of connecting with other women who share similar experiences. Larson advocates for cultivating a supportive network where women uplift one another, debunking stereotypes and fostering genuine connections across generations. The discussion culminates in a call for women to reflect on their perceptions and narratives surrounding aging, nurturing a mindset that honors their evolving identities without fear of societal judgments.

Overall, this conversation is a treasure trove of insights and encouragement for anyone navigating the complexities of adulthood. It invites listeners to reconsider their views on aging, friendship, and love—all while embracing the wide range of experiences that life can offer, regardless of age.

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This episode of The Open Nesters Podcast delves into the inspiring journey of Dr. David Freeman, who has transitioned from a successful engineering career to a life dedicated to exploring intimacy and sexual well-being. In this enlightening two-part conversation, we engage with David about the concept of “open nesting”—embracing new possibilities and experiences at this stage of life.

David shares his unique insights on vulnerability, relationships, and the courage to pursue a path of self-discovery. He recounts his previous role as a retired engineer at MIT, where he dedicated 17 years of his life before realizing it was time for a profound career change. Through the lens of his own experiences, he opens up about the estrangement from his daughters and the emotional toll it has taken on him. David discusses the impact of this estrangement and how it spurred him toward self-development, influenced by past guests, such as Dr. Joshua Coleman, who spoke about reclaiming estranged relationships.

As David navigated the complexities of reconnecting with his daughters, he reveals the significant lessons learned about communication and emotional openness. He discusses his introduction to orgasmic meditation, a practice that not only fosters intimacy but also serves as a gateway to greater self-awareness and body positivity. This meditation practice emphasizes being present and attuned to one’s own sensations, allowing participants to revel in their vitality and life force.

Throughout the conversation, we explore broader themes of aging and vitality, dispelling myths around the notion that one’s sexual energy diminishes with age. David passionately argues that our life force is something to cultivate and nurture rather than resign to loss. He emphasizes the importance of integrating pleasure and self-care into our daily routines and how practices like orgasmic meditation can help maintain this sense of vitality.

David also provides a thoughtful perspective on BDSM, presenting it as an opportunity for relational growth and exploration within a safe framework. He illustrates how establishing boundaries and safe spaces enables individuals to address deep-seated traumas and have crucial conversations that might otherwise be daunting or unmanageable.

As we unpack David’s transformative path, it becomes evident that his journey is both a personal reclamation of joy and an outward commitment to supporting others in their quests for connection and health. The episode beautifully intertwines the struggles and triumphs of open nesting, reminding us that it is never too late to recalibrate our lives, pursue new dreams, and ignite our passions.

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Tammy shares her recent move to South Carolina, which marked a significant transition in her life, both geographically and relationally. The conversation opens with an exploration of how long-distance relationships can remain vibrant and fulfilling, particularly through the lens of non-monogamy. Tammy outlines her experiences navigating dating in her new community and how she joyfully discovered a supportive polyamorous community, enhancing her romantic interactions while managing the emotional complexity of her connections with Josh.

Josh elaborates on his own emotional journey, revealing the struggles he faced with feelings of jealousy. While Tammy started dating someone new, he found himself grappling with the discomfort that jealousy can bring. He emphasizes the importance of communication and emotional vulnerability in their relationship, drawing parallels between his practices and concepts from the book "Polysecure." This idea of facing pain and discomfort rather than fleeing became a pivotal learning point for both of them, deepening their emotional bond and understanding of each other.

The episode further delves into the concept of relationship anarchy, which Josh explains as a way to redefine connections without the societal pressure of hierarchy. Instead of prioritizing romance over other types of relationships, they discuss how important it is to honor friendships and various forms of intimacy equally. This perspective enables them to form unique, custom connections based on their current needs and desires rather than adhering to traditional relationship scripts.

As they navigate their relationship's complexities, Tammy and Josh candidly discuss the challenges of coming out to friends, family, and even their children regarding their lifestyle choices. They reflect on the varying reactions they received and how important it has been for them to live their truths despite societal norms. Their discussions also touch on the significance of emotional labor in relationships, including how to support one another through discomfort without attempting to "fix" each other's feelings.

Wrapping up the episode, both Tammy and Josh express gratitude for the growth they have experienced individually and as a couple. They highlight that emotional intimacy, honesty, and vulnerability are crucial for maintaining healthy relationships, regardless of their form. Their commitment to ongoing communication and mutual support shines as a testament to the deeper connection they share, encouraging listeners to consider the richness that can come from embracing unorthodox relational structures.

We begin by addressing the common inquiries around how we navigate our different interests, particularly in travel, and how we've cultivated autonomy while still maintaining a strong bond. Sharing personal anecdotes, we discuss the balance of enjoying experiences apart and together, emphasizing that these separate adventures have significantly enriched our relationship. We've learned to support each other's desires—whether it’s attending conventions or exploring new destinations solo—while positioning our shared trips as a cornerstone of our connection. 

The conversation seamlessly transitions into the deeper aspects of our relationship, including how we maintain emotional intimacy amidst changing dynamics. We reflect on the importance of communication and gratitude, framing our journey through open relationships as one that encourages growth and appreciation for each other's happiness. Addressing potential challenges such as jealousy, we emphasize the value of intentional time together, allowing our love to flourish through curiosity and mutual encouragement—qualities that keep our dynamic vibrant and engaging.

Moreover, we tackle the various stages of life, balancing career pursuits with newfound freedom as we age. Each of us brings unique perspectives on work-life balance and fulfillment. I share insights into my continued professional engagement, while my partner reflects on the joys of pursuing passions without the constraints of a full-time job. Together, we emphasize how prioritizing time for each other, alongside our individual pursuits, lays the foundation for lasting love.

As we wrap up, we acknowledge that navigating this open-nesting stage is an ongoing and sometimes imperfect journey. Yet, it’s through the recalibrations, honest conversations, and mutual respect that we continue to thrive. We express our intentions to engage further with our audience by answering additional questions in future episodes, reflecting our commitment to sharing the wisdom and insights gathered through our unique experiences.

We delve into the idea of open nesting, a concept that transcends the traditional empty nester label. Rather than feeling empty or lost when children leave home, we explore how open nesters can embrace new adventures and deepened relationships. Carrie and Stephen's personal story offers a rich tapestry of experiences, highlighting how they navigated their individual transitions and merged their lives together, creating space for growth, exploration, and joy in their relationship.

Throughout the discussion, we highlight the importance of curiosity and communication in couples' dynamics. Carrie and Stephen reflect on their unique personalities — Stephen as the adventurous Tigger and Carrie as the more cautious Eeyore — emphasizing how embracing these differences can foster stronger bonds. They introduce the idea of "casting a spell" over everyday moments, encouraging couples to transform mundane experiences into joyful and meaningful interactions. 

Their insights on the book they co-authored, "Becoming Beloveds: A Practical Guide to Building Stronger Relationships," shed light on how recognizing and addressing fundamental needs within relationships can lead to richer connections. By applying Maslow's principles to romantic partnerships, they outline how couples can evolve from mere coexistence to partnerships characterized by intention, reverence, and love.

The couple also shares their aspirations at the Modern Elder Academy, where they teach methods for navigating midlife transitions and cultivating purpose. They provide guidance on how to explore values such as adventure and family while planning for the future — a process that can involve global adventures or simply deepening family ties, all while keeping the door open for full-circle connections with loved ones.

Listeners are encouraged to take actionable steps towards improving their own relationships, from identifying love languages to engaging in self and partner exploration through assessment tools. As they underline the necessity of maintaining curiosity in relationships, Carrie and Stephen invite us to consider: what if we shifted our perceptions of love? Could the simple act of referring to our partners as "beloved" elevate the quality of our interactions and fulfill emotional needs?

This enriching dialogue encourages open-mindedness, creativity, and compassion in relationships during midlife, offering inspiration for couples as they navigate their own unique journeys. With practical advice and heartfelt stories, Carrie and Stephen exemplify how to embrace change and celebrate love as we enter the exciting chapter of open nesting.

Eric discusses his fascinating experiences as a digital nomad over the past few years, reflecting on how his travels across Europe have shifted his perspective on American culture. Through his lens of spirituality and community, he contrasts the individualistic nature of the United States with the more collective social structures he observed abroad. This exploration serves as a foundation to understand how diverse environments can impact our inner selves and our relationships with others.

Highlighting the shift of becoming an open nester, Eric underscores how this life stage can be a pivotal time for self-discovery, urging listeners to view the empty nest phase not as a loss but as an opportunity for reinvention. He emphasizes how astrology can serve as an insightful tool for understanding one’s spiritual curriculum—unique life lessons intended for personal growth. Eric provides a nuanced view of astrology, steering away from common misconceptions and emphasizing its role in revealing deeper truths about our soul’s journey rather than predicting destinies.

Eric articulates the significance of recognizing our karmic patterns and how they can inform our choices, especially in relationships. Through illustrative examples, he shares insights into how people can engage with their lessons rather than shy away from discomfort. These discussions lead to a richer understanding of how personal growth can stem from engaging with challenges and examining the dynamics we share with partners.

Throughout the conversation, Eric also sheds light on the importance of self-authorship in our later years, encouraging listeners to break free from societal conditioning. He shares practical tools for listeners to assess whether they are operating from a space of personal fulfillment or simply conforming to external expectations. This nuanced view provokes thought on how to reconcile our past socializations with the spiritual desires that emerge during this stage of life.

By the end of the episode, listeners are invited to reflect on their own curricula and consider what lessons lie ahead. Eric notes that various astrological passages experienced throughout life serve as markers for spiritual development, and encourages open nesters to explore these phases as opportunities for deeper understanding. Tessa and Eric conclude the episode with a mutual appreciation for the growth opportunities present during this stage of life, affirming the importance of awareness in navigating the terrain of adult relationships and personal desires.

Tune in for this enlightening conversation that challenges conventional understandings and opens pathways for greater self-discovery and connection in the journey of open nesting.

Chris and Charlotte recount their journey of love and professional dedication, starting from their meeting in San Francisco in 2006, where their paths intertwined through a shared commitment to erotic massage. They discuss their evolution as partners and educators, emphasizing how their personal and professional lives have shaped their understanding of pleasure, relationships, and intimacy. Through the lens of open nesting, they explore the idea of reclaiming desire and passion, especially after years focused on parenting.

As they navigate their own transitions—balancing the joys and challenges of raising a young child while rediscovering their individual and mutual desires—the couple highlights the importance of open communication and vulnerability in intimate relationships. They candidly speak about their contrasting experiences during significant life changes, such as health challenges and grief, which led them to reassess their sexual selves and redefine their relationship dynamics. Their shared wisdom encourages listeners to embrace and explore their own erotic curiosities while fostering a supportive space for their partners.

The discussion also addresses the landscape of aging and sexuality, debunking myths and celebrating the pleasure that can be found in later stages of life. Chris and Charlotte illustrate that aging does not mean a decline in sexual vitality; instead, many find themselves with renewed vigor and desire to experiment. They invite listeners to engage in mindful practices that focus on half-forgotten pleasures—reminding us that discovering joy in our bodies can be an endless journey filled with growth and fulfillment.

Throughout the episode, the concepts of compersion, jealousy, and the importance of nurturing individual pleasure are interwoven with practical advice—encouraging couples to communicate openly about their desires. They emphasize the significance of exploring both personal and shared joys as a means to foster deeper connections and enhance intimacy. By sharing their vulnerability and triumphs, Chris and Charlotte exemplify how authenticity in relationships can lead to a profound and enriching sexual experience.

In conclusion, this episode inspires listeners to appreciate the power of open communication, explore their desires, and embrace the evolving nature of their relationships. It's a testament to the beauty of discovering pleasure in various forms—urging each of us to acknowledge our needs and celebrate the intimate journeys we can embark upon, regardless of age or circumstance.

Gary and Darcy share their inspiring journey, diving deeper into how they overcame hardships to cultivate a joyful and adventurous life together. The couple discusses how a near-death experience prompted Gary to seize each day actively, transforming mundane tasks into opportunities for exploration and connection. They reveal their approach to navigating daily life with curiosity, emphasizing that adventures don’t always require extensive planning; sometimes, spontaneity leads to the most rewarding experiences. 

Throughout our conversation, the couple describes their adventures—from wandering through unfamiliar streets in Playa del Carmen to infusing excitement into grocery shopping. By adopting a mindset that embraces the unpredictable, they’ve learned to appreciate the hidden joys in everyday moments. Their stories highlight that adventure can be as simple as allowing an unexpected direction to guide your experience, leading to meaningful moments of connection.

Gary and Darcy also address the importance of vulnerability in their relationship. They articulate how embracing each other's authentic selves has allowed them to experience deeper intimacy, both emotionally and physically. Their dialogue around sexuality reveals a journey of rediscovery, emphasizing trust and open communication as cornerstones of their current partnership. They candidly discuss how transitioning into new relationships later in life offers a chance to explore uncharted territories while navigating the complexities of past experiences.

Further, they delve into the concept of "60 New Things"—a fun goal they’ve set for themselves as they embrace their 60s. They discuss how it encourages them to continuously explore opportunities for growth and excitement, from motorcycle rides to dance camps. Their insights inspire listeners to pursue their desires, reinforcing that life’s stages can be ripe with possibilities for personal exploration and connection.

In this episode, Gary and Darcy model a relationship built on mutual respect, shared adventures, and a deep understanding of the importance of attunement. They remind us that the essence of a fulfilling life—even in the open nesting stage—resides in our willingness to embrace vulnerability, authenticity, and curiosity. Join us for this enriching conversation that not only inspires but also offers practical wisdom for anyone navigating the complexities of relationships and the open nesting phase.

As we reminisce about Joyce's unique perspective, she recounts her journey into the world of dating after her kids left home. With humor, she reflects on the lessons learned from her past relationships, including the societal expectations she faced regarding love and intimacy. Now at 78, she offers a candid look at how she has navigated the landscape of romance and friendship, making a case for being open to new experiences and connections during this vibrant stage of life.

Joyce's enchanting stories are mixed with her deep understanding of intimacy, relationships, and the importance of setting boundaries. We discuss how open nesting is about more than just an empty house; it’s about redefining personal freedom, maintaining relationships with our adult children, and creating new narratives for ourselves. Joyce emphasizes that open relationships, whether romantic or platonic, can thrive when built on solid foundations of trust and communication.

We delve into the delightful topic of sex and aging, where Joyce, with her characteristic lightheartedness, shares her humorous take on the subject. This includes her unique presentation titled “A Humorous Look at Sex and Aging”, where she combines research findings with laughter, focusing on the misconceptions and realities of intimacy as we grow older. She highlights not only the importance of physical affection but also the role of emotional connection—stressing that true intimacy goes far beyond just the physical act itself.

Throughout our conversation, Joyce provides sage advice on maintaining joy, whether through rituals of intimacy, engaging in laughter, or setting personal goals. We touch on the significance of nurturing friendships and the profound impact they have on mental well-being, especially in our golden years. Joyce’s anecdotes about her "husband equivalent" serve as further testament to embracing life’s possibilities, and her infectious spirit encourages us all to open our hearts and homes to new experiences.

In closing, Joyce offers a rich tapestry of humor and insights, reminding us to live fully, cherish our connections, and not be afraid to indulge in the pleasures life offers—be it celebrating the beauty of relationships or simply enjoying a good piece of chocolate. This episode is filled with laughter, love, and the reminder that we have the power to shape our experiences in this third act of life, making it one of the most rewarding chapters yet.

In this eye-opening two-part episode of The Open Nesters Podcast, we delve into the transformative journey of our guests, Darcy and Gary, who have successfully navigated the complexities of grief, love, and personal growth in the open nesting phase of their lives. As they share their powerful stories, we explore how they have redefined what it means to edge into new beginnings, emphasizing that being an open nester is about embracing life’s possibilities rather than feeling empty.

Darcy and Gary begin by reflecting on their individual journeys, each emerging from significant loss while fostering a profound personal evolution. Darcy recounts her experience as a double breast cancer survivor, which catalyzed a reckoning with her life choices and relationships. Through a process of introspection and a willingness to surrender, she discovered the necessity of living fully, seeking adventure, joy, and intimacy in her life. Gary, on the other hand, faced the unanticipated death of his wife, which propelled him into a deep exploration of personal transformation. He emphasizes the importance of owning one’s part in past relationships and recognizing the need for continual growth, regardless of external circumstances.

The intersection of their lives occurs shortly after their respective losses. They share how they met through Facebook dating, united by their love for outdoor adventures and a spiritual inclination. Despite the initial doubts about Gary’s readiness for a new relationship following the sudden death of his wife, the connection between them flourished in an authentic and supportive manner. Darcy reveals how her openness created a safe space for Gary to grieve, illustrating the importance of vulnerability and intimacy in forging new connections.

As the conversation progresses, we explore the concept of surrender—how it became essential in both their healing processes. Darcy explains that true surrender does not equate to giving up; instead, it is about relinquishing control over outcomes and trusting in the unfolding of life. She introduces her five core elements for growth: surrender, love, honest communication, developing intimacy, and allowing joy. Gary contributes by sharing the importance of confronting grief and intentionally engaging in personal transformation as part of their shared journey.

Their burgeoning relationship showcases how deep emotional work can lead to intimacy—not just in a romantic sense but in a broader understanding of connection with oneself and others. Each narrator articulates their struggles and triumphs, pointing to the resilience that comes from acknowledging pain and transforming it into joy. They emphasize the unique camaraderie of open nesters, who often bear burdens of grief yet lean into new experiences with enthusiasm and openness.

As the episode wraps, Darcy and Gary express their commitment to maintaining an open dialogue in their relationship. They highlight how continuous support, honest conversations, and shared experiences foster deeper connections. Listeners are left inspired by the authenticity and warmth shared between them and reminded that being an open nester is a vibrant journey filled with the vibrancy of life.

In the upcoming part two, the conversation will shift to their shared adventures, deeper explorations of intimacy, and how they have built a life that celebrates both their pasts and their future together. Through gratitude and transformative storytelling, Darcy and Gary invite us all to reconsider how we approach this stage of life, emphasizing that with courage and openness, we can turn grief into connection and joy.

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In this episode of The Open Nesters Podcast, Amir and Tessa introduce the concept of “open nesting,” redefining the experience of becoming an empty nester as an opportunity to embrace new adventures, relationships, and passions in the third act of life. They dive deep into the topic of sexuality and personal growth, bringing back an exciting encore from Season 2 featuring sex educators Reed Mahalko and Allison Moon. This episode is distinctly aimed at adults, marked by its frank and humorous take on topics often laden with societal stigma.

Reed and Allison bring their expertise in sexual education to the conversation, shedding light on the notion that sex is a normal part of life, rather than something to be shamed or hidden. Their approach intertwines humor and education as they share insights into kink, submission, and other facets of sexuality. The duo’s dynamic interaction paints a vivid picture of their partnership, which works to break down barriers and normalize conversations around sexual exploration, especially for those in their later years.

EPISODE TIME CODE 1:16 A Humorous Encore Episode 2:25 Exploring Sexuality and Relationships 8:16 Workshops and Presentations 10:16 Understanding Pegging 15:38 Evolving Sexual Desires 29:44 Embracing the Journey of Growth Allison Moon, AuthorAllison Moon is the author of five books including the critically acclaimed sexual education guide Girl Sex 101 (Goldie Award for Nonfiction, Rainbow Award), Getting It: A Guide to Hot, Healthy Hookups and Shame-Free Sex, and the erotic memoir Bad Dyke  (Publisher’s Weekly Starred Book). Allison is a popular sex educator, leading workshops on sexual pleasure and technique, polyamory, LGBTQ+ issues, and more. She has been quoted in Cosmopolitan, New York magazine, and the Washington Post. Her other writing includes articles for Bustle, and stories for the RISK! podcast, Bawdy Storytelling, and various anthologies.

Allison was a 2011 Lambda Literary Emerging LGBT Authors Fellow. She has a degree in Neuroscience from Oberlin College. Allison has presented her workshops — on strap-on sex, polyamory, sexual self-expression, erotica writing, and more — to thousands of people around the US and Canada.

Reid MihalkoReid Mihalko (He/Him) of ReidAboutSex.com, Relationship10x.com, and Sex10xOnline.com helps adults and college students create more self-esteem, self-confidence and greater health and satisfaction in and out of the bedroom using an inspiring mixture of humor, keen insight, and comprehensive sexual health information.

Using humor, insight and solid information, Reid appeals to audiences of all orientations, backgrounds, ages, and identities. He speaks pragmatically to nearly all areas of sexual self-expression, intimacy, dating and relating. Reid’s mission is to give men and women new tools to transform their love lives into fulfilling, satisfying, and sustainable expressions of self.

The episode explores personal stories and experiences, with both Reed and Allison sharing their journeys into the realms of sex and relationships. Reed recounts how his upbringing shaped his views on intimacy and communication. Meanwhile, Allison discusses her early days in sex education, targeting queer women and navigating her own evolving identity and desires. Both emphasize the importance of finding pleasure in exploration and learning without the pressure to conform to societal expectations.

Listeners are encouraged to engage in difficult conversations about their desires, especially those that arise as they enter new stages of life. The hosts emphasize that it’s perfectly okay to explore and question established norms. They advocate for an understanding that sexual pleasure does not have to be limited by age or by past experiences. Both Reed and Allison emphasize the beauty of the “beginner’s mind,” urging listeners to see the value in being new to experiences, especially later in life.

The episode also tackles the complexities faced by monogamous couples who wish to delve into polyamory or kink. Reed and Allison provide practical advice on navigating these waters while ensuring both partners feel safe and respected. They point out that it’s essential for individuals to understand their own boundaries and preferences, which may shift over time.

Listeners are left with tools and strategies to empower them in their journeys, whether in the context of romance, sexuality, or self-discovery. The conversation flows with laughter, warmth, and an openness that inspires listeners to embrace their own journeys without shame. As the episode wraps, both Reed and Allison highlight that it’s never too late to explore sexuality and connection, encouraging everyone to find joy in their evolving selves.

This episode is an invitation for those entering the open nesting phase to reclaim their vitality, explore their desires, and engage in meaningful conversations that can lead to newfound pleasures and deeper connections. Resources for You We want to provide you with support and many many resources for your own Open Nesting Journey. Our resource page has so much to offer as does our private discussion group on Facebook about queerness and other topics of interest:

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Audrey opens up about the tragic murder of her 24-year-old daughter, Elizabeth, which occurred nearly two decades ago. Through honest reflection, she discusses the lasting impact of this loss on her family and how they have chosen to respond with love and strength. Instead of allowing grief to define them, they have cultivated space for healing and ongoing connection, affirming their commitment to each other during their darkest days. Audrey emphasizes that healing is a continuous process, accentuated by her mantra of choosing happiness as a conscious decision—an approach she adopted after extensive personal reflection and therapy.

As we dialogue, Audrey reveals the transformative power of gratitude in her life. She acknowledges that, despite the heartache, she finds herself surrounded by blessings each day. Her journey leads her to become a lifelong learner, where she actively engages in personal development and initiatives that uplift others. She founded the Happiness Club, a supportive community dedicated to exploring positive psychology, reinforcing her belief that happiness can be cultivated and shared.

Throughout our conversation, we also touch on the importance of emotional resilience and the mindset needed to navigate life’s challenges. Audrey recalls her own experiences with cancer and her unwavering faith throughout the process. Her insight into healthcare collaboration, particularly with her daughter, who works in the medical field, invites listeners to understand the deeper connections that can emerge from adversity.

Audrey shares vital lessons on listening, the delicate balance of nurturing versus fixing others, and the importance of allowing individuals, especially our children, to solve their own problems. We uncover her approach of leading by example rather than through words alone, revealing how her daughter, Leslie, has embraced the values she instilled, creating her own legacy of care and compassion for others.

The episode culminates with powerful reflections on nature, personal growth, and the necessity of self-care. Audrey emphasizes the significance of dedicating time to one's own happiness and the role of community in fostering a supportive environment. With insights from notable thought leaders, like Dr. Bernie Siegel and the philosophies shared within the Happiness Club, Audrey encourages us all to trust the process of life and find joy amidst our trials.

This episode is a testament to the power of resilience, love, and faith in the face of unimaginable loss. Tune in for an inspiring discussion that challenges the notion of emptiness, inviting all to embrace the fullness of life available in the act of open nesting.

Dr. Nelson shares her personal journey, revealing how her experiences as a therapist over 35 years have informed her understanding of relationships. As we discuss her latest book, I encourage her to define "open monogamy," which she describes as a commitment to a primary partnership that allows for flexible relationships with others. This concept reframes traditional ideas about monogamy, acknowledging that the landscape of love and intimacy has significantly changed, particularly over the past few decades.

We delve into the societal shifts that have led many couples to reconsider their relationship structures. Particularly striking is Dr. Nelson's observation that women have increasingly taken charge of their sexual and relational needs, often acting as gatekeepers in discussions around opening relationships. This dynamism contrasts with previous eras where non-monogamous arrangements frequently involved secrecy and deception.

Dr. Nelson describes various exercises from her book that can help couples navigate these conversations openly. She explains how foundational honesty and integrity are to any relationship, and she urges couples to examine what monogamy means to them, emphasizing that definitions may vary greatly. Each couple's journey is unique, filled with opportunities for enhancing intimacy and connection through open dialogue about desires and boundaries.

Our enlightening discussion also touches on the age-related dynamics accompanying open relationships. Dr. Nelson categorizes couples into two groups: those experiencing a resurgence of vitality in their relationships as their children grow older, and younger couples rediscovering their identities apart from familial obligations. She elaborates on how these life stages often prompt individuals to seek new experiences, which can lead to fulfilling open relationships.

Throughout the episode, Dr. Nelson highlights the importance of transparency in navigating fears about non-monogamy. She encourages listeners to engage in "what-if" conversations that allow couples to explore potential scenarios and their emotional repercussions proactively. By setting boundaries rather than rigid rules, couples can create a more fluid understanding of their relationship agreements, fostering exploration while maintaining emotional safety.

As we conclude our conversation, Dr. Nelson offers to share a complimentary ebook containing starter questions for those interested in opening discussions about their relationships. Her insights encourage listeners to embrace curiosity and vulnerability, reminding us that evolving needs in relationships require periodic reassessment and open communication.

This episode serves as a platform for exploring the intricate details of modern relationships, inviting listeners to reflect on their own paths and consider possibilities beyond traditional norms. The conversations around open monogamy open avenues for understanding and expanding love, prompting couples to engage deeply with each other as they navigate the changing tides of intimacy in their lives.

As Amir recounts his experiences leading up to his 70th birthday, he reveals a transformative year filled with introspection. At the cusp of this milestone, he faced existential questions about mortality that loomed large. However, as he approached the day, those fears slowly morphed into a profound sense of gratitude for the life he has lived and the person he has become. This newfound joy isn't just a product of age; it’s a reflection of deeper relationships and a blossoming creativity, both personally and professionally.

Throughout the episode, Amir candidly shares insights into the world of dating as an open nester, especially in a time when societal norms around love and relationships are evolving. He recalls his experiences navigating dating apps, detailing both the challenges and the humorous realities of attempting to connect with others. Amir’s reflections on dating as a senior highlight a significant shift; he discusses the changing dynamics in dating culture, noting a marked increase in older adults seeking romance and intimacy online.

Amir also addresses the loneliness that often accompanies aging and how the dating landscape can provide a remedy for those feelings. He sheds light on statistics revealing that many adults over 65 are single and open to fulfilling new relationships, debunking the misconceptions tied to companionship in later life. Challenging the narrative that dating is primarily for younger individuals, Amir discusses how open nesters light the way for how love can flourish at any age.

Further, Amir shares anecdotes from his own past, including a memorable dating ad he placed in New York Magazine back in 1988, which generated an overwhelming number of responses. He reflects on the different social norms of dating in his youth compared to today’s swipe culture. As he revisits memories of handwritten letters and face-to-face connections, he contrasts them with the impersonal nature of modern dating apps, inviting listeners to appreciate the depth of connections fostered in previous generations.

As he concludes his reflections, Amir offers advice for listeners who may be hesitant to venture into the dating scene again. He encourages embracing one's age with confidence, emphasizing that each year brings wisdom and valuable experiences that contribute to being a more interesting partner. Urging open nesters to be bold in their pursuit of love, he advocates for honesty and authenticity when presenting themselves to potential matches.

With clarity and warmth, Amir inspires listeners to seize the potential of their next chapter, reminding them that true connections can happen when courage meets opportunity. This episode serves as a heartfelt reminder that age should never be a barrier to exploring love and companionship, indeed reshaping the empty nest into an open nest filled with possibilities.

Dr. Thomas, an influential figure in geriatric medicine and the founder of the Eden Alternative, shares how his life's work has been driven by the belief that aging can be seen through a positive lens. Rather than managing decline, he encourages us to cultivate environments where growth and vitality can flourish. Together with Jude, they reflect on personal experiences that shaped their understanding of elderhood, including the poignant lessons learned from their daughters, who have navigated life with extraordinary challenges. Their stories emphasize the wisdom acquired through love, adversity, and the uncompromising value of each moment.

As we discuss what it means to embrace the open nesting stage, we reflect on the joys of discovering new passions and redefining relationships. The hosts, Amir and Tessa, share their personal narratives of how this transition allows for creative expressions—be it painting, writing, or music—while fostering deeper connections with people of various ages. Dr. Thomas highlights the importance of playfulness and intentionality in our lives, encouraging listeners to explore interests that reignite joy and curiosity previously overshadowed by obligations.

The conversation also tackles significant topics such as anti-ageism and the necessity for a cultural shift in how society perceives the aging process. By sharing practical insights based on decades of collaborative work in elder care, they prompt reflections on how we can create supportive communities that recognize the vitality of older adults while breaking free from conventional, limiting narratives. 

Lastly, there's an invitation for listeners to engage with this idea of creating a life filled with purpose and openness. Whether it's through cultivating friendships across generations, exploring new hobbies without hesitation, or participating in ecstatic dance, the message is clear: this chapter of life is filled with potential and creativity. 

Tune in as we unravel these inspiring ideas, challenge societal norms about aging, and celebrate the open nester lifestyle—proving that life, in all its complexity, remains rich with possibility.

Shakti and I delve into the intricacies of relationships between parents and adult children. She refers to her children as her "soulmates," highlighting their deep bond formed through conscious communication and radical honesty. This dynamic has fostered an environment where both her son and daughter feel comfortable giving and receiving advice. Shakti describes their relationship as unconventional yet fulfilling, asserting that open dialogue has helped them navigate the complexities of life, including the challenges she faces in the dating world.

Throughout our discussion, Shakti opens up about experiencing disappointment in dating, specifically her recent encounter with ghosting. She shares the emotional rollercoaster that ensued after an encouraging date turned into silence, leading her through a process of examining her feelings and allowing herself to experience heartache without judgment. By integrating somatic practices and self-inquiry techniques, Shakti emphasizes the importance of being present with our emotions, allowing them to flow rather than suppressing them.

As she reflects on her journey, Shakti encourages listeners to embrace vulnerability as a strength in dating and relationships. She introduces the concept of "dating as devotion," suggesting that each encounter offers a chance to cultivate love, awareness, and connection both with oneself and with others. This perspective invites individuals to engage genuinely, shedding self-consciousness and fear, and instead, living fully in the moment with open hearts.

Our conversation also addresses the prevalence of ghosting in modern dating and the need for greater honesty and communication. Shakti emphasizes the importance of understanding one's feelings, processing them with compassion, and striving for emotional transparency in relationships. This approach not only benefits personal growth but enhances the overall quality of connections we forge with others.

The episode culminates in Shakti's passionate plea for cultivating more love and awareness in the world. She offers insight into her writing journey and the resources available through her blog, where she shares personal experiences and reflections on intimacy and relationships. Shakti envisions a community of individuals willing to redefine their narratives around love and connection, ultimately contributing to a kinder, more understanding world.

Listeners are invited to explore Shakti's work through her website and Substack, where she shares her thoughts on dating, embodiment, and personal empowerment. This engaging conversation serves not only as a testament to Shakti's journey but also as an inspiring call to all to embrace the fullness of their experiences, learn from them, and connect more deeply in this phase of life known as Act 3.

Sumati shares her personal journey from traditional monogamy to engaging in ethical non-monogamy, detailing transformative moments that shaped her approach and insights. She addresses the crucial skills needed to navigate jealousy, insecurity, and the inevitable triggers that can arise when expanding relationship boundaries. Through real-life examples, including a case study of a couple seeking to enhance their intimacy while exploring outside connections, she illustrates the gradual and intentional process of transitioning into alternative relationship structures.

Listeners will gain valuable advice on creating a safe space for honest conversations between partners. Sumati emphasizes the significance of understanding each other's emotional responses and allowing space for discomfort. This approach fosters greater intimacy and cooperation, ensuring both individuals feel heard and respected. She provides practical steps for couples considering an open relationship, including initiating non-sexual encounters with potential romantic interests to gauge emotional readiness.

The episode concludes with a thorough discussion of self-awareness and communication. Sumati guides the audience through exercises designed to help partners articulate their needs and boundaries, reminding us that vulnerability is a strength when opening up to new experiences. For those considering this new phase in their relationship, she encourages reflection on desires and suggests coaching or counseling as supportive resources.

Whether you're exploring the idea of open relationships or simply seeking deeper intimacy with your partner, join us as we navigate the exciting, sometimes challenging, terrain of love in later life, guided by Sumati's expertise and warmth.

[Tessa]

In this episode of The Open Nesters Podcast, we delve into the transformative journey of open nesting and the richness of personal relationships with Bella Brooks, a sexuality educator and intimacy coach. Bella shares her compelling story of rediscovery following her divorce in 2017, which became a pivotal moment that propelled her into exploring her identity as a part-time empty nester. This experience opened a new chapter in her life, leading her to embrace polyamory and to learn how to navigate relationships as part of her journey towards self-discovery.

TIME CODE4:56 Navigating Post-Divorce Life 13:49 Trust and Vulnerability in Relationships 29:50 Parenting and Role Modeling 39:50 Embracing Opportunities in Act 3 We explore how Bella’s shift in dynamics, especially post-divorce, laid the groundwork for her to redefine intimacy, connection, and pleasure. She discusses the benefits of engaging in diverse relationships that allowed her to “speed date herself,” thus gaining clarity on her personal desires and boundaries while also considering the emotional impact on her now-adult children. Bella sheds light on how she balanced co-parenting with a nesting arrangement, providing continuity and stability for her children during a significant family transition.

Much of Bella’s transformation stems from her commitment to sexual education and empowerment, which she undertook through an extensive program to become a certified sexuality coach. This educational journey deepened her understanding of intimacy and strengthened her connection with herself, ultimately benefiting her romantic and familial relationships. We discuss how she has always embraced a sex-positive approach with her daughters, emphasizing the importance of open dialogue about sexuality, which contrasts with her upbringing. Through sharing stories and insights, Bella advocates for teaching young individuals about healthy relationships and the significance of body autonomy.

A significant part of our conversation also revolves around the challenges of intimacy, vulnerability, and communication in relationships. Bella provides valuable insights into her practices around consent and boundaries, stressing the importance of fostering an environment of safety and trust in romantic and platonic interactions. Techniques such as “hugging till relaxed” and guided improvisational games help establish deeper connections between individuals, promoting emotional vulnerability in a safe setting.

Furthermore, Bella introduces the concept of cuddle parties, where participants engage in consensual, platonic touch, creating a space for healing and connection. This emphasis on touch, she argues, is crucial in our increasingly isolated world and serves to alleviate stress and anxiety. Our dialogue expands to consider how this practice not only benefits individuals but also enhances relationships by encouraging authentic communication and reducing the societal stigma surrounding touch.

As we conclude, Bella reflects on her current chapter in life and her new romantic relationship, emphasizing the sacred devotion that characterizes this bond. She highlights the significance of modeling openness and authenticity for her children, reinforcing the idea that adults can continue to learn, grow, and reimagine their lives even in Act 3. The conversation resonates with a broader message: open nesting is about embracing change and fostering connections that enrich our lives.

Listeners eager to engage further can connect with Bella via her website, where she offers resources on relationships, intimacy, and the joys of open nesting. This episode promises to inspire those navigating similar journeys of self-exploration and personal growth in their relationships.

Resources for You

We want to provide you with support and many many resources for your own Open Nesting Journey. Our resource page has so much to offer as does our private discussion group on Facebook about queerness and other topics of interest:

Open Nesters Resource Page

The Open Nesters Private Facebook Group

[Tessa]

Welcome back, Open Nesters! Tessa here, and I’m thrilled to take you on a journey revisiting one of our most impactful episodes to date: Episode 33, where we dove deep into the often-misunderstood world of menopause. This conversation was truly special, and it resonated with so many of you, so I felt it was essential to bring some of those powerful insights back to the forefront.

Our incredible guests for that episode were none other than Bridget Garrett and Colleen Rosenblum from the fantastic podcast, “Hot Flashes and Cool Topics.” Their candor and wisdom truly illuminated the crucial need for open dialogue around menopausal changes – topics that, for far too long, have been shrouded in societal taboo.

TIME CODE7:48 Reinventing Ourselves 10:33 Embracing Happiness 18:14 Changing Cultural Norms 29:10 Celebrating Midlife Achievements 37:35 The Role of Men in Menopause From Empty Nest to Open Nest: A New Chapter Unfolds

One of the beautiful threads woven throughout our discussion was the concept of transitioning from “empty nesters” to “open nesters.” It’s more than just a phrase; it’s a mindset shift that invites new adventures, strengthens relationships, and fosters incredible personal growth in our later years.

Bridget and Colleen beautifully articulated their personal journeys through motherhood, sharing how their children’s growing independence has, in fact, created more space for them. Space for self-care, for pursuing personal interests, and for simply being. They passionately emphasized a point we can all take to heart: prioritizing ourselves isn’t selfish; it’s a vital act of self-empowerment in midlife. It’s about recognizing our own needs and giving ourselves permission to flourish.

Dispelling Myths and Finding Your Voice: The Menopause Conversation

Of course, we didn’t shy away from the more sensitive subjects surrounding menopause. We confronted common misconceptions and the emotional challenges so many women face. Our guests were a powerful reminder that menopause is a significant life event that deserves recognition and resources, which are often woefully lacking.Through their own experiences and conversations with various experts, Bridget and Colleen are on a mission to dismantle the stigma. Their message is clear: find your voice, advocate for your health, and never feel alone in this journey.

Redefining Visibility: Embracing Age and Defying Stereotypes

A particularly poignant part of our conversation touched on the concept of invisibility that can accompany aging, especially for women. This can profoundly influence our self-perception and societal roles. Bridget shared so passionately how she and Colleen have actively sought out and uplifted overlooked narratives of women in their 50s and 60s. They’ve highlighted empowering stories of those who are defying ageist stereotypes and carving out incredible new paths for themselves.

This really drives home a core belief of “The Open Nesters Podcast”: menopause is not an endpoint. It’s a significant milestone that can open doors to new opportunities, reignite old passions, and spark entirely new ones.

The Power of Connection: Podcasting and Community

It was truly inspiring to hear Bridget and Colleen recount their own journey into podcasting. They spoke of the immense joy and continuous learning that comes from engaging with an incredible array of women who are actively reshaping their lives in midlife. Our discussion illuminated how countless women are taking charge of their narratives, reinventing themselves as entrepreneurs, authors, and advocates. This is a testament to the incredible strength and resilience that defines women in this vibrant phase of life.

Through their podcast, “Hot Flashes and Cool Topics,” they’ve made it their mission to normalize conversations around everything from mental health challenges during menopause to the crucial importance of sexual health care. Bridget and Colleen’s enthusiasm for sharing insights from their interviews is infectious, and it’s clear their platform has cultivated a vital community where women can feel less alone and more understood.

Stay Curious, Stay Open: A Vibrant Vision for the Future

As we wrapped up that enlightening episode, we emphasized the importance of remaining curious and open-minded as we navigate this exciting stage of life. Both Bridget and Colleen stressed that this period should not be marred by preconceived notions or outdated ideas. Instead, it should be celebrated as a time where women can truly thrive, explore new facets of their identity, and foster connections with like-minded individuals.

Their passion for empowering women to embrace their age and life experiences truly reflects a vibrant and inspiring vision for what it means to be an open nester. It’s about growth, discovery, and connection, no matter where you are on your journey.

What were your biggest takeaways from Episode 33, or what aspects of menopause and midlife are you currently navigating? Let’s keep the conversation going!

Resources for You

We want to provide you with support and many many resources for your own Open Nesting Journey. Our resource page has so much to offer as does our private discussion group on Facebook about queerness and other topics of interest:

Open Nesters Resource Page

The Open Nesters Private Facebook Group

[Tessa] In this episode of The Open Nesters Podcast, we dive into the transformative journey of aging gracefully while embracing our sexuality and vitality. As open nesters, we explore the notion that life is full of possibilities beyond the constraints of a traditional empty nest. Our guest, Dr. Carol Remz, an inspiring 80-year-old author, shares her rich insights from her critically acclaimed book, “The Best Sex Ever After Menopause.” We discuss the myriad ways women can reclaim their sensuality after significant life changes such as menopause, chronicling both the challenges and the revelatory experiences along the way.

Dr. Remz candidly recounts her own sexual awakening during her 40s when she remarried and faced the reality of perimenopause, leading to difficulties such as low libido and vaginal dryness. She emphasizes that sexual pleasure is not narrowly defined by conventional intercourse, but rather encompasses a spectrum of experiences that can foster connectivity and joy. This redefinition opens up conversations about intimacy and communication that resonate deeply within our lives.

Throughout our conversation, Dr. Remz highlights important scientific research that shows how our brains evolve during pivotal life stages, including menopause. She discusses the work of neuroscientists who illuminate how transitions like puberty, pregnancy, and menopause can enhance emotional intelligence and self-awareness. This reshaping of our mental framework encourages women to embrace their new identities, deriving confidence and pleasure from age-related changes rather than viewing them as losses.

A significant point of our dialogue revolves around the notion of erotic aging. Dr. Remz elaborates on how women can ignite their sexual energy, which may simmer down as hormones decline. She identifies plant medicines such as sea buckthorn and even cannabis as potential allies in reigniting a woman’s sexual vitality and combating discomfort during intimate moments. The conversation challenges societal norms that often silence discussions around aging and sexuality, inviting listeners to expand their understanding of pleasure at every stage of life.

We also touch on the significance of self-exploration and masturbation as key components of sexual health, providing women with essential tools to reclaim their bodies. Dr. Remz encourages women to cultivate self-love and confidence through personal exploration, reminding us that pleasure doesn’t solely arise from another person but significantly from within oneself.

In addition to her personal narrative, Carol shares practical takeaways for enhancing intimate relationships, including the importance of open communication and vulnerability with partners. She urges listeners to view aging not as a decline but as an opportunity for growth and reinvention, fostering joy and connection in both their physical and emotional lives.

We want to provide you with support and many many resources for your own Open Nesting Journey. Our resource page has so much to offer as does our private discussion group on Facebook about queerness and other topics of interest:

Open Nesters Resource Page

The Open Nesters Private Facebook Group

[Tessa] In this episode of the Open Nester podcast, we revisit a heartfelt conversation with Pat Whitty, a cherished voice from the Modern Elder Academy, who shares profound insights accumulated over his 78-year journey. Pat emphasizes the importance of slowing down amidst the chaos of life, allowing for deep reflection on connection, meaning, purpose, and legacy, which he believes are essentials for continual growth at any age.

Pat opens up by introducing himself and the Modern Elder Academy, a transformative space in Baja designed for midlife exploration and personal reinvention. He shares his personal breakthrough regarding aging—no longer feeling ashamed of his age, but rather embracing it with pride. Through his journey, he highlights how many people are stuck in outdated paradigms of living, often confined to traditional roles and expectations that don’t serve them as they age. He introduces the concept of “Chapter 4,” a term he uses to describe the vital phase of life where individuals reassess their paths and identities, encouraging listeners to redefine their own narratives as they transition into this stage.

The conversation deepens as Pat reflects on his former role as the dean of a business school, where he felt unfulfilled despite the external markers of success. He candidly discusses the moment he recognized he didn’t want his legacy to be merely about job titles or answering emails in a cubicle. Instead, he decided to forge a path centered on health and life transitions, allowing him to assist others in finding purpose and vitality in their later years.

Pat goes on to explore the importance of mindset in aging gracefully. He describes how many individuals hold onto limiting beliefs that prevent them from pursuing what truly fulfills them. Through the lens of his coaching practice, he encourages listeners to envision the lives they desire, rather than fixating on their current struggles. He illustrates this with powerful personal anecdotes and poignant affirmations that resonate throughout the episode.

The themes of community and support are also paramount in Pat’s dialogue. He elaborates on the unique, inclusive environment at the Modern Elder Academy, where participants connect on a human level, free from societal labels and external pressures. Pat shares experiences of communal activities designed to foster deep connections, including a nature walk aimed at inspiring mindfulness and awe, which contrasts sharply with the distractions of daily life.

Throughout the conversation, listeners are encouraged to reflect on their personal journeys while navigating the “messy middle” of life transitions. Pat relates the caterpillar-to-butterfly metaphor to signify the transformation that can emerge from introspection and letting go of limiting beliefs. He emphasizes that purpose is not an elusive goal to be chased but rather a calling that comes to us when we give ourselves permission to dream and explore our true selves.

Pat concludes with an invitation to reach out for those interested in coaching or exploring their next steps through the Modern Elder Academy, reinforcing his commitment to helping others live vibrant, meaningful lives in the navigating of midlife and beyond. This episode is not just a reflection of Pat’s journey but a clarion call for all to recognize the possibilities of renewal and growth at any age, making it a timeless and enriching listen.

We want to provide you with support and many many resources for your own Open Nesting Journey. Our resource page has so much to offer as does our private discussion group on Facebook about queerness and other topics of interest:

Open Nesters Resource Page

The Open Nesters Private Facebook Group

Zev, bless his heart, brings such a profound understanding to family life. Being the youngest of a big, blended family, he got a front-row seat to the whole "empty nest" journey even before it was his turn. He watched his parents navigate it as the last of his siblings left, and that really shaped his perspective. From a special education teacher to a Yale researcher, his path led him to become this amazing family coach. He's not a therapist, but a guide, helping families "unblock" the flow of love and connection. His core belief, which I just love, is that if one person in the family is struggling, the whole family is. It’s all about transforming anxiety into comfort and safety.

You know, Zev has this playful yet fundamental question: "Why can't we all just get along?" He identifies resentment as a huge "love blocker" in families. It's those old hurts that go unseen and unaddressed, just festering. His approach is brilliant – he creates a safe space for these stories to be heard and validated, no judgment, no trying to convince anyone they're wrong.

He shared this wonderful Zen story about two monks and a rude empress, where the older monk simply "puts that weight down a long time ago." That’s exactly what Zev helps families do: release that heavy baggage of old stories and choose a new narrative. It's about growth, reinvention, and letting love flow freely again.

We also delved into the practical side of Open Nesting, especially how our relationships with our adult kids evolve. Zev emphasized the importance of boundaries, particularly around finances. He shared how he and his wife established clear guidelines with their daughter about money and responsibility, fostering self-sufficiency rather than entitlement.

It’s not about being unloving, but about empowering our kids to truly "come alive." As I pointed out, if we're constantly bailing them out, that "honey on top" might actually be doing more harm than good. Every family is unique, and what works for one child might not work for another. It really highlights how crucial open communication and a healthy foundation are to navigating these nuanced conversations.

And then we talked about the idea of blessing, which is such a powerful concept. Zev is a big advocate for a gratitude practice within families. When you focus on what's working – like the simple joy of your kids being safe, healthy, and happy – it shifts the entire family's outlook. It doesn't mean ignoring challenges, but choosing to prioritize the positive connections.

For us Open Nesters, the blessing extends to the invaluable role grandparents can play. Zev truly sees those grandparents "courageous enough to consider a healing path" as legacy makers. They can create a ripple effect of healing across generations. It's a disservice, he argues, when unresolved family dynamics prevent grandparents from actively connecting and supporting their children and grandchildren.

This whole conversation beautifully captured what Open Nesting is all about: reimagining success in our family relationships, moving beyond perfection to embrace authentic connection, and being willing to step into discomfort for the sake of deeper love and understanding. It’s an invitation to proactively invest our time and emotional energy into nurturing these vital bonds. As Zev powerfully put it, "I refuse to allow blessed families to continue not feeling the full extent of their blessing."

If you’re feeling touched by this and curious about how Zev can help your family find more ease and peace, I highly recommend reaching out. You can find him at ZevAarons@gmail.com, and we'll have links in the show notes for his Instagram and Facebook. He offers a free call for anyone interested.

Remember, Open Nesters, your well-being is deeply connected to the harmony of your family. Opening our hearts and homes to endless possibilities isn't just a choice—it's a profound act of self-care and a beautiful legacy of love.

[Tessa] In this episode of The Open Nesters Podcast, I had the pleasure of welcoming back Marni Batista, who has recently released her insightful book on radical living and personal growth. Our conversation delved into the transformative concept of open nesting—a mindset shift that encourages embracing new adventures and relationships as we transition into this next phase of life. Our discussion highlighted how this period can be an opportunity for rediscovery, focusing on vitality, spirituality, and even sexuality.

Marni shared her unique approach to planning one’s life through what she calls the “Big Ass Calendar,” a visual strategy that allows us to intentionally allocate time for family, romance, friendships, and personal growth. We discussed how many people fall victim to time denial, mistakenly believing that they have endless opportunities to realize their dreams and desires. Instead, Marni emphasizes the importance of taking proactive steps and setting priorities to prevent falling into routine distraction.

We explored the powerful questions that can help guide us in making intentional life choices, particularly when faced with challenges. A key takeaway from our dialogue was her adoption of the royal approach to decision-making, grounded in mindfulness and awareness of our deeper intentions. By asking ourselves whether something truly needs to be done, by whom, and when, we can better navigate the complex web of expectations, both from ourselves and others.

Marni also opened up about her personal experiences of balancing familial obligations and the expectations of others while making sure to honor her own needs. We examined the concept of resonance; distinguishing between what feels soul-aligned versus dissonant can help guide us toward fulfilling decisions, especially when dealing with the intricacies of family dynamics as we enter this stage of life.

We concluded the episode with Marni inviting listeners to explore their own paths toward radical living. I encouraged our audience to pursue these themes further by checking out her book and reflecting on how these ideas resonate within their own lives. The insights shared in this episode are essential for anyone navigating the changes that come with opening up to new life possibilities, especially during the open nesting phase where we can truly embrace what lies ahead.

We want to provide you with support and many many resources for your own Open Nesting Journey. Our resource page has so much to offer as does our private discussion group on Facebook about queerness and other topics of interest:

Open Nesters Resource Page

The Open Nesters Private Facebook Group

[Tessa] Moira Cormack, a passionate advocate for womanhood and personal evolution, shares her transformative journey in an engaging conversation recorded at the Open Nesters podcast.

Set against the picturesque backdrop of Moira’s Edinburgh, Scotland, the interview delves deep into our guest’s experiences as a mother of four daughters and her exploration of femininity, personal empowerment, and the practice of Tantra. From her early days of motherhood—raising twins as a young woman who had just moved from London to Bombay—to navigating personal challenges, including a painful divorce, Moira provides a rich narrative filled with insights and wisdom.

Edinburgh Scotland

Moira recounts her early marriage and the circumstances that led her to become a single mother. She reflects on the joys and trials of mothering, emphasizing her commitment to creative engagement with her children and the transformative power of play. With a focus on saying “yes” to experiences, she nurtured a playful household where exploration and creativity thrived.

Moira’s parenting philosophy highlights the importance of staying true to oneself and modeling resilience for her daughters, especially as they encounter their own struggles and journeys toward independence.

A yoni egg (typically made of jade, rose quartz, or obsidian) is a smooth, egg-shaped stone designed to be gently inserted into the vagina (aka the yoni, Sanskrit for “sacred space”). It’s used to strengthen pelvic floor muscles, increase sensitivity, release emotional trauma, and build a connection with one’s body.

• Size matters: Beginners usually start with a medium or large egg—it’s easier to feel and control.

• Type of stone: Jade is the classic beginner’s choice—non-porous, tough, and gentle in energy.

• Physically: Use warm water and a mild soap. Rinse well.

• Energetically (optional but popular): Pass it through sage smoke, place it under the moon, or set an intention. Think: “Release. Heal. Empower.”

• Not mandatory, but recommended.

• Try some deep breathing, a warm bath, gentle pelvic massage, or sensual movement.

• The goal: ease into your body, shift from “doing” to “being.”

• Lie on your back or squat.

• Relax your pelvic muscles.

• Gently insert the egg narrow-end first (some prefer string side down if it has one).

• Go slowly—no pushing or forcing.

Now the real magic:

• Pelvic floor exercises (think Kegels): Squeeze and release around the egg.

• Meditation or breathwork: Feel into your womb space.

• Movement: Some women dance with it in! Others simply lie still and connect.

⏱ How long?

• Start with 10–15 minutes. Over time, some use it for up to an hour.

• Not recommended to sleep with it in or wear it all day (contrary to TikTok mythology).

• Relax and gently bear down to release it naturally.

• If your egg has a drilled hole, you can use unwaxed dental floss to gently guide it out.

• Clean it again after each use.

Throughout the conversation, Moira candidly addresses her personal growth following her divorce. She explains how the difficulty of that period catalyzed her journey toward self-discovery, ultimately leading her to explore Tantra. For Moira, Tantra represents a path to understanding one’s own body and sexuality, debunking myths that suggest that women lose their sexual vitality with age. She discusses the often-hidden trauma stored within the body, particularly within women’s sexuality, and introduces the practice of dearmoring—a technique aimed at releasing trauma stored in the vagina and facilitating a deeper connection to one’s own pleasure and body.

The conversation also touches on the dynamic of relationships, highlighting the difference between fulfilling connections and those that may detract from personal growth. Moira asserts that women should prioritize their own growth and fulfillment over traditional ideals of longevity in relationships, echoing her belief that true fulfillment comes from within. She discusses her personal state of being single and how she embraces self-pleasure and self-awareness as integral to her experience of intimacy.

As the interview winds down, Moira encourages listeners to redefine their understanding of aging, suggesting that the years after 50 can represent a flowering of selfhood, not a decline. She inspires a radical shift in mindset, advocating for women to reclaim their power and resonate vibrantly in the world, regardless of societal narratives that frame aging negatively. Emphasizing that one’s journey is ongoing, she reassures her audience that it is never too late to pursue passion, connection, and personal authenticity.

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[Tessa] In this episode of the Open Nesters podcast, we engage in an enlightening discussion with Maria Leonard Olson, a dynamic figure whose journey of transformation resonates powerfully with those navigating life’s challenges, especially after 50. Maria, a litigator and author of the book “50 After 50: Reframing the Next Chapter of Your Life,” shares her story of resilience and reinvention following significant life changes, including a divorce, sobriety, and the transition of becoming an empty nester.

Maria recounts her pivotal experience at 50, where she embarked on an introspective quest to redefine her life. As a birthday gift to herself, she created a list of 50 new things to try, ranging from adventure travel to spiritual practices and personal growth activities. Each endeavor served as a building block in shaping her identity and desires for her next chapter. Her reflections highlight that while life often presents uncontrollable situations, it is our responses that delineate our path. Maria emphasizes the importance of focusing on positivity and progress rather than perfection, a message that she passionately conveys during her talks and interactions.

Throughout the interview, she shares stories illustrating the discomfort and triumph of trying new things, such as her humorous yet enlightening experience singing at an open mic night—an endeavor that challenged her fears and spurred personal growth. A significant theme during their conversation is the importance of community and support. Maria highlights how she intentionally surrounds herself with uplifting individuals who inspire her to embrace her authentic self, moving away from the constraints of her past societal norms and expectations, especially those from her Catholic upbringing.

The narrative takes a poignant turn as Maria delves into her experiences with alcoholism, addiction, and the aftermath of her traumatic childhood, including instances of sexual abuse. She touches upon her multiple stints in rehabilitation, framing these experiences not only as personal failures but as opportunities for deep healing and understanding. Maria’s ability to confront these demons head-on is both harrowing and inspiring, revealing how communication and expressing anger have been crucial in her healing journey. The interview sheds light on her commitment to helping others facing similar struggles, highlighting her work with organizations like AA and Al-Anon, and advocating for emotional honesty and vulnerability.

Intriguingly, Maria shares her recent discovery at age 55 that she is a product of a one-night stand, an unexpected revelation that led her to uncover a unique connection with her biological father—an actor she’d seen on screen throughout her life. This discovery not only transformed her understanding of her heritage but also enriched her personal narrative, leading to a burgeoning relationship filled with humor and deep emotional connection.

The episode concludes with a powerful reminder of the importance of seeking help and sharing one’s story. Maria encourages listeners to take advantage of the resources available today, whether through in-person therapy or online support groups, affirming that they are not alone in their struggles. Her story is one of hope and healing, with an emphasis on the potential for transformation at any age. Both Tessa and Maria express their admiration for the journey they each are on, fostering a sense of community and shared purpose in uplifting others.

Maria’s life stands out as an empowering testament to the resilience of the human spirit, urging listeners to embrace change, connect with supportive communities, and take proactive steps toward a fulfilling life after 50. Maria’s insights offer valuable lessons on authenticity, compassion, and the necessity of confronting one’s past to pave the way for a brighter future.

is a biracial woman whose parents were forbidden by law to marry in their home state of Maryland in the early 1960s. She is the mother of two children, a lawyer, journalist and author of two children’s books and two non-fiction books. She leads writing/empowerment retreats for women, hosts the “Becoming Your Best Version” podcast and is a co-host of the Inside Out radio show on WPFW-fm, 89.3, in Washington, D.C.

Maria graduated from Boston College and the University of Virginia School of Law, served in the Clinton Administration’s Justice Department, fostered newborn babies awaiting adoption, and has been on the boards of Children’s National Medical Center BOV, the Catholic Coalition for Special Education, GirlsUp and the Alzheimer’s Association of Greater Washington. While in private practice as a litigator in then one of the then-largest law firms in Washington, D.C., Maria was awarded Pro Bono Coordinator of the Year by the D.C. Bar Association.

She has written for The Washington Post, Washingtonian, Bethesda Magazine, Parenting, BabyTalk and Washington For Women, and is a contributor to Thrive Global, Up Journey and BreaknLinks. She recently returned to practicing law now that her children are launched. Mommy, Why’s Your Skin So Brown? is her first children’s book.  Healing for Hallie is her second children’s book.  Not the Cleaver Family–The New Normal in Modern American Family, was released in November 2016.  Her latest book, 50 After 50–Reframing the Next Chapter of Your Life, was published in hardcover in 2018, and in paperback and on Audible in 2019.

Maria has spoken at numerous schools and corporate and nonprofit events, including the Pennsylvania Conference for Women, the Mixed Remixed Festival in Los Angeles, The Japanese American National Museum’s Family Day, the Washington Independent Review of Books, the National March to End Rape Culture, a motivational speaker at corporate and trade association meetings, and the U.S. Department of Justice’s Asian American Month Celebration (as the then-highest ranking Asian American political appointee at the Justice Department). Maria is available for speaking engagements and book or diversity festivals.  Her book talk has been featured on C-Span’s Book TV show, and her latest book was selected for the National Press Club’s Book Fair. She spoke at TEDx CUNY in 2021.

With the extensive marketing experience Maria has had in marketing her titles and helping other authors, Maria began a formal book marketing service in 2020. Check out her Events and News pages to see the opportunities she has made for herself and how she can help other authors add to their book’s exposure.

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[Tessa] In this episode of The Open Nesters Podcast, I had the privilege of hosting Rabbi Dayle Friedman, whose rich spiritual insights on aging and the transition into open nesting resonate deeply with those seeking meaning in this new stage of life. Rabbi Friedman, an experienced rabbi and spiritual director, shares her journey, exploring the profound opportunities for connection, reflection, and personal growth that accompany the aging process.

We discuss the concept of “open nesting,” which emphasizes that the empty nest does not mark an end, but rather a beginning filled with possibilities for new adventures, passions, and relationships. She emphasizes the importance of accepting our limitations as we navigate the complexities of aging, caregiving, and evolving family dynamics. Her experiences managing her mother’s dementia and her husband’s health challenges illustrate the intricate balance of giving and receiving support within a family.

Through our dialogue, Rabbi Friedman highlights the value of fostering a deep spiritual practice as we age. She discusses how each transition—whether it be the departure of children or personal health changes—involves loss, but also opportunities for deeper connection and growth. The discussion brings forth crucial themes of acceptance and the paradox of life, urging listeners to embrace both the challenges and the joys that arise as they become older.

Rabbi Friedman shares her extensive experience in pastoral care, which includes creating spiritual connections in settings where they might seem unlikely. Her establishment of a Center for Aging and Judaism at the Reconstructionist Rabbinical College demonstrates her commitment to educating others about the spiritual aspects of aging. This approach empowers both clergy and caregivers to engage fully with the aging population, reframing perceptions and cultivating hope in their journeys.

Throughout the episode, we touch upon practical wisdom from her writing, specifically her book “Jewish Wisdom for Growing Older,” which provides tools for embracing aging with grace and humor. Rabbi Friedman suggests that by simply being present and deeply listening, we honor our relationships and support one another in profound ways. Her storytelling about family connections—a dialogue with her children and the insights gleaned from interactions with her elderly mother—shows how vulnerability and honesty can transform relationships.

Together, we reflect on the importance of rituals during transitions. Rabbi Friedman offers meaningful examples of how families can create their own rituals, celebrating legacies and sharing memories, to mark significant changes. Her perspective sheds light on the need for shared experiences that honor the past while looking forward with hope. She encourages a shift from a focus on “doing” to a focus on “being,” inviting listeners to savor each moment and find joy in the everyday.

As we close our conversation, I invite listeners to embrace the idea of a “pause day,” akin to Shabbat, to foster mindfulness and connection with loved ones. Rabbi Friedman and I emphasize the significance of nurturing relationships and creating sacred time amidst the busyness of life.

This episode is a rich tapestry of wisdom, compassion, and guidance for anyone navigating the later stages of life. Rabbi Friedman’s reflections remind us that while aging comes with losses, it also presents unique opportunities for renewal, understanding, and love. As we journey through this phase, we continuously have the chance to grow deeper and become more whole—just as the Open Nesters movement encourages us to do.

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[Tessa] In this episode of Open Nesters, we celebrate the fifth anniversary of our podcast with a revisit to one of our most impactful episodes featuring Pamela Madsen, a notable author and educator known for her work in sensuality and personal growth. I have the privilege of having Pamela share her insights into the liberating journey of embracing our somatic truth as we age, which is particularly resonant for women in their 40s, 50s, and 60s who find themselves navigating transitions in both body and relationships.

Pamela opens up about her experiences and her undeniable passion for helping women reclaim their bodies and sensuality. She highlights the importance of transitioning through different life stages, from raising children to rediscovering individual desires and needs. Our conversation delves deep into the significance of returning to our bodies and the ways in which practices of mindfulness and play can facilitate this journey. She emphasizes that eroticism and the exploration of intimacy are not limited to the younger years; rather, they continue to evolve and can be rejuvenating even in midlife.

Central to our discussion are the themes of empowerment and self-exploration. Pamela shares how many women arrive at her retreats dealing with trauma, body image issues, or simply feeling disconnected from their sensual selves. There is a focus on the somatic aspect of self-care, with Pamela providing examples of how women can learn to find pleasure within themselves. We discuss the methodologies employed at her retreats, including directed touch and mindful exploration, fostering a supportive environment where women can feel safe to engage with their bodies without judgment.

Moreover, Pamela elaborates on the unique challenges that arise as we age, such as societal conditioning and personal fears about sexuality and desirability. We explore how these fears can lead to narratives around boredom in relationships or a decline in sexual vitality. Pamela passionately encourages listeners to break free from these limiting beliefs, suggesting that a renewed connection to our erotic selves offers a wealth of vitality and is crucial for maintaining a dynamic and fulfilling life.

Her insights challenge the conventional views on aging and sexuality, urging listeners to view each relationship stage as an ongoing opportunity for exploration and reinvention. The conversation also touches on the dynamics of couples navigating these changes together, underscoring the benefit of open communication and the exploration of desires as a shared journey.

As we revisit this powerful episode, I encourage listeners to reflect on their own experiences and consider how they can embrace openness, sensuality, and personal growth in this unique chapter of life. Whether you’re tuning in again or for the first time, Pamela’s message about self-discovery and bodily acceptance remains as relevant as ever. Let’s dive into this enriching dialogue and explore how we can all open up to new possibilities within ourselves and our relationships.

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Stacey recounts how her lifelong commitment to adventure travel became a crucial part of her identity and a source of healing during this transitional phase. She discusses the significance of her solo “mommy and me” trips with each of her twins, fostering connections and memories that added depth to their family life. In the wake of her children's departure and facing personal loss, it was her trek to Nepal that catalyzed a profound personal transformation. This journey not only reignited her sense of wonder but also strengthened her relationship with her husband, creating shared experiences that breathed new life into their marriage.

As Stacey transitions from traditional radiology practice to a focus on lifestyle medicine and wellness, she describes the creation of her travel business, LH Adventure Travel, which is designed to connect wellness with exploration. Through her trips, she appeals to women in their forties to sixties, many of whom are also discovering their unique paths in their open nesting phase. Each adventure incorporates elements significantly centered on health and well-being, including movement, nourishing food, stress management practices, and personal growth, all set within the backdrop of enriching travel experiences.

Throughout the podcast, Stacey emphasizes the profound joy that comes from redefining one’s life after the children have left home, highlighting the positive aspects of opening one's heart to new relationships and experiences. She shares candid accounts of the women she has taken on trips, illustrating how travel fosters community and self-discovery among participants. Stacey and her husband have cultivated a supportive partnership that thrives on mutual encouragement, allowing both of them to explore their individual passions while nurturing their bond.

The episode also addresses the importance of communication within relationships, particularly during life transitions. It illuminates how Stacey and her husband's journey together reflects a shift from the responsibilities of parenting to a newfound freedom to explore the depths of their relationship. As she articulates her views on love, trust, and growth, Stacey inspires listeners to embrace the uncertainty of life with courage and open-heartedness, advocating that the golden years can indeed be filled with exploration, creativity, and adventure.

In conclusion, Stacey highlights the beauty of pursuing one's dreams and passions later in life, reminding us that it’s never too late to start anew. This compelling discussion serves as a powerful reminder to remain present, embrace change, and seek the possibilities that lie ahead as we navigate through each stage of life. For those interested in explo

The Radio Vagabond is a travel podcast created and hosted by Danish radio producer Palle Bo. In 2016, at the age of 50, Bo made the life-changing decision to sell his house, car, and nearly all his possessions to become a full-time digital nomad, with the ambitious goal of visiting every country in the world.

The podcast chronicles his ongoing journey, offering listeners immersive stories from around the globe. Each episode features Bo’s personal experiences, interviews with locals and fellow travelers, and soundscapes that capture the unique atmosphere of each destination. The show is known for its authenticity, practical travel tips, and insights into both well-known and off-the-beaten-path locations.

Since its debut on October 3, 2016, The Radio Vagabond has released hundreds of episodes, covering adventures from rodeos in Texas to tribal communities in Papua New Guinea. Bo’s storytelling emphasizes the joys and challenges of life as a digital nomad, making the podcast a favorite among travel enthusiasts and those curious about global cultures.

As of 2025, the podcast continues to update regularly, with Bo still pursuing his quest to visit every country, sharing new episodes and inspiring stories from his travel

In this episode of The Open Nesters Podcast, we delve into the transformative journey of couples as they transition from traditional empty nesting to a more expansive and vibrant phase, which we call open nesting. I’m excited to introduce Linda and Charlie Bloom, seasoned social workers, educators, and authors with a wealth of experience in nurturing deeper relationships. Married since 1972, they bring to our discussion profound insights gleaned from their enduring bond and extensive professional background.

[Tessa] We begin by exploring the unique challenges that couples face as children leave home, often leading to the opportunity for growth and deeper connection. Linda articulates that this life stage presents a powerful chance to re-evaluate what couples truly want from their relationships, allowing them to focus on desires and dreams that may have been sidelined during the years of child-rearing. This period offers the potential for couples to rethink their commitments and desires, alongside the wisdom to engage in meaningful and heartfelt conversations that have long been postponed.

Charlie adds that while many couples come to him and Linda expressing communication problems, they soon discover that the underlying issue is often one of honesty—both with themselves and their partners. It’s not merely about discussions; it’s about sincerely understanding personal needs and desires and then honestly articulating these to one another. They emphasize the importance of creating space for self-reflection and learning about one’s own needs before engaging in potentially challenging discussions with a partner.

Linda and Charlie further elaborate on how their approach, articulated in their book “An End to Arguing,” challenges couples to consider their competing commitments. They note that the fear of disrupting the status quo in a relationship can often prevent partners from addressing significant feelings and desires. Instead of merely putting a band-aid on issues, they encourage couples to think creatively about their relationship structure, urging them to engage in “enlightened self-interest.” This means recognizing that personal happiness often flourishes when both partners are genuinely fulfilled—in both individual pursuits and shared experiences.

A significant theme of our conversation is the concept of timeouts and separations—not as a sign of failure but as an essential tool for nurturing individual growth and relationship health. By taking intentional breaks, couples can reset the narrative of their relationship, gathering clarity about their own needs before re-engaging with each other. We discuss the transformative power of these moments, where partners can reflect, recharge, and ultimately come back together with renewed perspectives.

As we navigate further into their experiences, we touch on the complexities that often arise when couples start to explore new avenues of intimacy and connection. This venture may involve redefining boundaries or embracing greater openness in relationships. Linda and Charlie share that staying connected means being willing to have ongoing conversations and being brutally honest about discomforts—elements that are surprisingly underemphasized in modern partnerships.

By the end of our discussion, Linda highlights a powerful question for couples at this stage: “What do you want to do with your one wild and precious life?” This sentiment encapsulates the essence of our conversation—encouraging couples to dream boldly and to communicate those dreams, transforming the “open nesting” phase into a rewarding adventure filled with shared exploration and renewed intimacy.

For those looking to deepen their relationships further, Linda and Charlie will be leading workshops at Kripalu, where they empower couples to engage in transformative learning, focusing on love, sex, and intimacy. Our audience is encouraged to lean into these experiences, open their minds and hearts, and embrace the limitless possibilities of their relationships during this exciting chapter of life. For more details, listeners can visit bloomwork.com for further resources and upcoming workshops.

This dynamic episode invites listeners to rethink their relationships and embrace the open-nesting philosophy, where they can cultivate new adventures together, reignite passions, and continue to grow—both individually and as partners.

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[Tessa] In this sampler episode of Open Nesters, Tessa and Amir explore how couples can rekindle intimacy and redefine relationships as children leave home, sharing strategies and real-life insights for navigating this transformative phase. It’s a Love Relationship & Sexuality Sampler.

In this special sampler episode of the Open Nesters podcast, we take a reflective journey through our four seasons, focusing on the most impactful themes that resonate with our listeners — relationships, love, and sexuality. As Tessa and Amir, we dive into the transformative phase of life when children leave the nest, urging couples to rekindle their connections and explore the evolving dynamics of intimacy.

Drawing on insights from renowned voices in this space, we emphasize the significance of prioritizing our relationships as we transition into this new chapter, often termed “Act 3.” We acknowledge that the years dedicated to raising children often eclipse the relationship we have with our partner, leading to a rediscovery of desires and new opportunities for connection. Our conversations encourage reflection on how couples can thrive and embrace this period for personal growth and reinvention, rather than viewing it solely as a goodbye to the past.

This episode features curated snippets from our most cherished conversations. We discuss practical strategies for rekindling passion and exploring intimacy, whether monogamous or non-monogamous.

Highlighting the ongoing dialogue around aging and sexuality, we tackle the taboos that often accompany these subjects, particularly for women, and celebrate the journey of loving our mature selves.

Furthermore, we emphasize the crucial role of communication in fostering a vibrant partnership, showcasing various approaches to ensure that both partners feel heard and valued.

Real-life accounts from couples provide a rich tapestry of experiences that resonate with the realities of our audience. We hear from experts who share invaluable tips on navigating intimacy and the powerful language of consent, drawing insights from diverse lifestyles that span from traditional monogamy to the realms of polyamory and relationship anarchy. Each story illuminates the paths couples can take, paving the way for a deeper understanding of themselves and their partners.

As we touch upon themes of growth through challenges such as divorce, the importance of redefining relationships becomes even more apparent. Our guests share their journeys of transformation, revealing how maintaining connections — even post-separation — can lead to fulfilling co-parenting and romantic partnerships. We explore the concept of creating new relationship dynamics and boundaries, showing that love can evolve in unexpected and beautiful ways.

We invite listeners to reflect on their own relationship stories, whether embarking on new romantic ventures or seeking to deepen existing bonds. Engaging with our community, we encourage open dialogue about desires, boundaries, and the richness of emotional connection. The conversations span various personal insights and expert recommendations, such as expanding the definition of what intimacy can mean as we age, and learning to embrace the evolving landscape of pleasure and connection.

This sampler serves as a portal into a world where love, romance, and sexuality flourish at every stage of life, reminding us that as we age, the capacity for passion and profound connections only grows. We urge listeners to explore our extensive library of past episodes where these topics are discussed in depth, offering fresh perspectives on how to navigate this dynamic phase of life.

Join us as we embark on our fifth season, diving deeper into the nuances of love and relationships. We encourage our audience to connect with us and share their thoughts and experiences, fostering a community that thrives on open conversations about living fully in these vital years. Let’s explore how to create a meaningful, exciting journey through love and intimacy, even as we confidently step into new chapters of life.

[0:12] Hi, this is Tessa. And this is Amir. And we’re so excited to bring you this special sampler episode of the Open Nesters podcast.

[0:20] Over the past four seasons of our podcast, we realized that the most popular episode were about relationship. That is the main reason we were ranked in the top 15 relationship podcast in the country. You know, Amir, that Esther Perel always says, the quality of our relationships determines the quality of our lives. And that’s why this category includes love, romance, sexuality for individuals and couples, as well as our sensuality, our evolving sexual aging as we enter Act 3 of our lives. You know, Tessa, we talk about it so many times. This stage of life, when the kids left the nest, couples really face a big, big transition. One that really calls for a fresh look at their relationship and, I guess, desires and all the opportunities ahead. Right. It’s time to focus on ourselves again and how we communicate and how we become self-expressed and the possibilities that Act 3 offers us in a way of reinvention and where we can actually flourish in surprising and fun ways. You know, for so many of us, many years have spent raising children.

[1:38] We pour our love to them, devotion. That often, everything is centered about the kids’ needs, right? Right. So that’s why this stage is so important around relationships. What are we doing to create something that’s more vibrant in our lives, more fulfilling and authentic to who we are now and not just who we’ve been? So, that’s why Tessa and I thought about providing you a simpler episode that dives into…

[2:07] The guts to the hearts of this transitional phase. And we’re really going to give you some snippets from some of our most popular and compelling episode. So together, we’re going to explore how you can reignite passion and connection, how couples can rediscover their attraction to one another and rekindle the spark that brought them together for the first place, right? And that could be navigating all this intimacy and deepening intimacy, whether it’s monogamous or non-monogamous, as we kind of expand who we are. And a big, big subject matter of our episodes were sexuality and aging, you know, especially for women, Tessa. Well, we have to break a lot of the taboos and celebrate our lives and our desires and allow ourselves to slow down and be so much more accepting of how we feel things. And as we age, I feel it’s such an important area for us to actually love that side of ourselves even more.

[3:12] And you know, there are some other episodes that tell us how couples have built stronger communication and provide some practical tips for fostering honest and open conversation and communication for their needs and boundaries. And so interesting about boundaries, because you can discuss that even more. But a lot of that consent language came from the kink world, and yet there are all these alternative lifestyles that we’ve been learning about, exploring how pleasure and connection and unconventional paths kind of brace us for how we make choices about our erotic themes. Yes. So this is less about what we think and what our lifestyle is, and more from the experts and the couples we bring you on these episodes. You know, we all go through a lot of change. Divorce, reinvention is a tough one. And we do discuss this in a way that we share highlights of how people have embraced what they are going through, including the challenges and choices they’ve made. But there’s so much incredible growth that people talk about what they experience while they go through that. And whether you are just a brand new open nester or a veteran open nester.

[4:26] This sampler episode will introduce you to the episodes that may be more relevant to your situation and lifestyle. So if you’re on the road or you want to just ...]]> 0:28:31 false https://theopennesters.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/EPISODE-LOVE-AND-RELATIONSHIP.jpg https://podcast.show/theopennesters/theopennesters/144394245/does-your-age-matter-with-ashton-applewhite/ 144394245 https://blubrry.com/theopennesters/144394245/does-your-age-matter-with-ashton-applewhite/ The Open Nesters Wed, 09 Apr 2025 21:00:00 -0400 In this episode, Tessa and Amir reflect on the conclusion of Season One and the upcoming content that delves deeper into key topics surrounding aging. They express excitement over a forthcoming interview with relationship experts Charlie and Linda Bloom, but the focus here pivots to the enlightening conversation with Ashton Applewhite, an advocate against ageism and author of "This Chair Rocks: A Manifesto Against Ageism." 

Ashton presents a transformative perspective on aging, encouraging listeners to embrace growing older as a journey toward wisdom rather than a decline. Tessa emphasizes how Ashton’s messages resonate deeply as many enter what she calls "Act III" of life, navigating new challenges and opportunities that come when children leave home. The discussion reveals the prevalent cultural biases regarding aging, particularly the obsession with youthfulness, and how these narratives can be dismantled. Ashton articulates that successful aging is less about resisting the signs of getting older and more about acknowledging our inherent value at every stage of life.

Throughout their dialogue, Tessa and Ashton explore the paradox of why society equates aging with negativity, exposing how this conditioning impacts our self-perception. Ashton shares insights on the “u curve of happiness,” highlighting the reality that many people find greater satisfaction in the later stages of life, contrary to popular belief. The conversation takes a poignant turn as they tackle the concept of agelessness, challenging the notion that one should strive to appear younger. This advocacy for authenticity encourages listeners to embrace their chronological age as part of their identity.

As the conversation unfolds, Ashton shares the importance of open-mindedness in examining our own biases toward age and empowering ourselves to engage with younger generations to foster community. She discusses various societal changes and movements aimed at combating ageism, including the World Health Organization’s recent campaign to address age-related discrimination globally. Tessa highlights the shared responsibility of individuals to redefine aging in a more positive light by fostering intergenerational relationships and communities that value all ages equally.

Ashton and Tessa also venture into discussions around personal challenges related to aging, the experience of losing mobility, and how to redefine what it means to stay active and adventurous at any age. They touch upon crucial themes such as the exploration of sensuality and intimacy as people grow older, aiming to break the stereotypes surrounding elderly sexuality and invite a more nuanced conversation about desire and connection.

In wrapping up this rich conversation, Tessa and Amir urge listeners to shift their mindset from fearing aging to celebrating it. They underscore the idea of being "older and bolder," embracing all the experiences life brings as an opportunity for growth. Tessa reflects on how Ashton’s insights inspire a collective movement towards acceptance and positivity around aging, making it clear that there’s much to look forward to in our later years. 

This episode is not just an exploration of the aging process; it is an invitation to reframe the dialogue around aging in our society, encouraging everyone to adopt a mindset that values our lived experiences over youthful appearances.

Daphna and Lior provide an enlightening overview of the Bonds app, emphasizing that it is not merely another dating platform but a unique tool focused on improving communication and understanding within existing relationships. Lior shares his personal journey, highlighting the challenges he faced in navigating relationship dynamics later in life. He expresses the pivotal role that technology has played in helping him and others find clarity in their partnerships, leading to the creation of Bonds.

The app stands out by leveraging artificial intelligence while incorporating essential human insights from psychology. Daphna explains how Bonds tailors its suggestions to fit the specific relationship context of its users, utilizing feedback from both partners to cultivate deeper intimacy. Unlike generic chatbots, Bonds personalizes the experience, evolving with users over time and guiding them through habits that enhance their connections.

As the conversation progresses, we explore real-life examples of how Bonds has positively impacted users' relationships. Daphna and Lior recount success stories that underscore the app's ability to help individuals recognize and adapt their communication styles, thereby enriching their partnerships. They stress the importance of self-awareness in relationships and how their app can facilitate meaningful change by revealing areas for growth and improvement.

We also tackle the apprehension some may feel about using technology in their most intimate relationships. The co-founders emphasize that Bonds is designed to be a friendly companion for couples navigating the complexities of love and connection, making it accessible and beneficial for users of all ages. The discussion highlights the generational shift in how technology, particularly AI, can enhance interpersonal relationships and support emotional bonding.

In closing, we encourage listeners to explore Bonds for themselves, highlighting the app's availability on both Android and iOS platforms. As we embark on our own journey of using the app, we invite our audience to engage with us, sharing feedback and experiences as we collectively discover the potential of this innovative tool. Together, we can redefine relationships in our open nesting phase, amplifying our connections during this beautiful stage of life.

In this episode of Loving Without Boundaries, hosted by Kitty Chambliss, Tessa and Amir from the Open Nesters podcast return for an enlightening reunion after four years since their last appearance. Their previous discussion focused on their burgeoning journey into polyamory, and now, they reflect on how their understanding and experience have deepened over time. With the passage of four years filled with growth, exploration, and profound transformations in their relationships, Tessa and Amir share the lessons they’ve gleaned and the ways their practices in open relating have evolved.

Throughout the conversation, they delve into the intricacies of navigating open relationships while prioritizing their families, particularly how they have cherished intentional time with their adult children and nurtured their roles as grandparents. They discuss the dynamics of holding space for love in multiple facets, revealing how their eclectic erotic blueprints have shaped their individual and shared experiences. Tessa and Amir explore various themes, including emotional evolution, communication in intimacy, and the importance of establishing a unified partnership project—like their podcast—that enriches their connection.

• 2:21 Reflecting on Four Years of Growth 13:04 Navigating Differing Lifestyles 26:41 Lessons from Our Open Nest 33:06 Evolving Podcast Insights 41:36 Busting Myths of Aging and Sex

Both Tessa and Amir find themselves in different yet complementary spaces within their relationship; while Amir has embraced his experience of love with another partner, Tessa reflects on her emotional journey and the challenges she has faced, such as feelings of jealousy and navigating attachment styles. They candidly share insights on how their distinct paths are not only fulfilling but are also reflective of their growth as individuals and as a couple. Their ability to communicate openly about their sexual explorations enhances their mutual understanding and strengthens their bond.

Tessa particularly emphasizes the importance of somatic practices, such as dance and breathwork, as tools for self-discovery and emotional release, drawing connections between personal well-being and relational dynamics. Through their reflective dialogue, they illuminate how embracing a playful and exploratory spirit in their lives fosters resilience and intimacy.

Amir, on his end, focuses on how openly discussing feelings and working through conflicts—what they term “breakdowns” leading to “breakthroughs”—is essential in cultivating a lasting relationship.

The Open Nesters podcast evolves into a platform not only for sharing their journey of polyamory and open relationships but also for exploring broader themes such as family dynamics, aging, and the joy of maintaining curiosity and playful engagement in life as they grow older. They reflect on how their listeners have resonated with their experiences and the impact of their messages on others navigating similar paths.

As the episode wraps up, Tessa and Amir leave listeners with a profound reminder of the richness that comes with embracing life’s transitions and the endless possibilities that lie within open relationships. Their journey stands as a testament to the beauty of evolving together while maintaining individual desires and identities, encouraging others to remain curious and engaged with their partners in the pursuit of authentic connection. The resonance of their story serves as a beacon for those exploring their own narratives in the realms of love and intimacy.

We want to provide you with support and many many resources for your own Open Nesting Journey. Our resource page has so much to offer as does our private discussion group on Facebook about queerness, relationship fluidity in the empty nest, and other topics of interest:

Open Nesters Resource Page

The Open Nesters Private Facebook Group

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature.  If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

• Adventure
• Freedom of Expression
• Exploration and Fun
• Body Movement
• New circles of friends
• Deep love relationships

Shane kicks off the conversation by recounting a whimsical story from her past about encountering Steve at a seminar on extended massive orgasm years ago. She expresses her initial disinterest in the attendees and her desire to meet the instructor—little did she know that many years later, they would connect in a meaningful relationship. Steve shares his background as a seasoned expert in sensuality and intimacy, stemming from a long and loving marriage. This foundation sets the stage for a heartfelt discussion on how love can be both rediscovered and expanded as we navigate through life’s different chapters.

As their story unfolds, Shane and Steve highlight the transformative power of vulnerability in relationships. They delve into their use of the PARN acronym—Play, Attention, Revealing, and Noticing— which serves as a playful framework for enhancing intimacy and communication. Shane, with her expertise in play, emphasizes that infusing fun into relationships can dissolve awkwardness and create space for deeper connections. Steve adds that attentiveness is crucial for reciprocal appreciation and intimacy, allowing both partners to express themselves authentically without fear of judgment.

Their discussion touches on the importance of training and skills, mainly how understanding the nuances of pleasure can greatly improve intimacy. They also address common misconceptions about aging and sexuality, encouraging listeners to embrace the idea that pleasure and connection can extend well into one’s later years. Shane offers practical advice, reminding us to be playful and lighthearted in our approach to dating and relationships—humming tunes, laughing off mishaps, and accepting ourselves as we are instead of striving for perfection.

As they share their own experiences of starting fresh in a new relationship, Shane and Steve convey a sense of hope to listeners navigating similar journeys. They remind us that love doesn’t have an expiration date and that opening our hearts to new connections can lead to unexpected joy. Through shared laughter and candid stories, they explore how the dynamics of romance can shift at this stage in life, where vulnerability and openness can flourish.

Before concluding, they offer encouragement to others in the open nester phase, urging them to not shy away from expressing their desires and exploring new paths of pleasure and connection. Steve shares the importance of ongoing education in intimacy, emphasizing that it’s never too late to learn how to give and receive pleasure. Shane echoes this sentiment, advocating for self-exploration and the joy of living authentically.

Together, Shane and Steve create a vibrant atmosphere of acceptance and joy, inviting listeners to view the empty nest not as a time of loss, but as an opportunity for exploration, connection, and growth. Their journey is a testament to the love that can blossom at any age and the beauty of building new relationships with an open heart and mind.

[Tessa] In this episode of The Open Nesters Podcast, we dive into the vibrant life of Maria DiSalvo, whose journey exemplifies the essence of being an open nester.

With her children grown and launched into their own lives, Maria embodies the philosophy of embracing new adventures, relationships, and passions that come with this transformative stage. Our conversation serves as an engaging introduction to our Love and Sexuality Month, exploring the personal and societal narratives surrounding intimacy and self-discovery.

Maria shares how her life has flourished since becoming an open nester, painting a vivid picture of her remarkable path toward rediscovering her sensuality and sexuality. She navigates through the evolution of her personal identity after divorce, revealing the joys and challenges she faced during and after menopause. Her dedication to exploring these topics through education and practice underscores a profound understanding of the human experience, offering insights that resonate deeply with listeners ready to embark on their own journeys of self-exploration.

• 1:04 Meet Maria DiSalvo
• 7:10 Understanding Self-Pleasure
• 16:16 Facilitating Change in Others
• 22:48 Parenting and Open Conversations
• 29:53 Conclusion and Community

Throughout our discussion, Maria highlights the significance of communication in relationships, especially regarding sexual intimacy. With a wealth of experience in practices such as Tantra, she has developed a unique perspective on the energetic connection that can exist between partners. She emphasizes the importance of understanding personal desires and needs, mentioning how this awareness can transform not only individual pleasure but also acts of intimacy into deeper connections. The candid examples she shares about her encounters and practices are both enlightening and inspiring, showcasing her holistic approach to relationships built on mutual respect and understanding.

Maria’s advocacy for the idea that sexuality does not diminish with age stands at the forefront. She encourages other open nesters to embrace their evolving desires and to delve deep into what excites them.

Maria shares her journey of consciousness — from understanding her body to practicing self-love and acceptance — Maria inspires listeners to explore their bodies and minds, breaking free from societal expectations and taboos that often surround this stage of life.

The episode also touches on the fascinating dynamic of Maria’s relationship with her adult children, who navigate their own paths of love and intimacy around their mother’s choices. This unique generational discourse provides a refreshing perspective on how open communication about sexuality can foster understanding and growth within families. Maria’s openness with her children about her lifestyle challenges traditional views and cultivates a space where healthy conversation around relationships thrives.

The resounding message from Maria’s experience is to say yes to life, to curiosity, and to the vast possibilities that come with our evolving identities as open nesters. Her story transcends mere advice; it invites everyone, irrespective of age, to find joy in their authenticity and to reach for the full spectrum of human experiences, especially in love and sexuality.

We want to provide you with support and many many resources for your own Open Nesting Journey. Our resource page has so much to offer as does our private discussion group on Facebook about queerness, relationship fluidity in the empty nest, and other topics of interest:

Open Nesters Resource Page

The Open Nesters Private Facebook Group

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature.  If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

• Adventure
• Freedom of Expression
• Exploration and Fun
• Body Movement
• New circles of friends
• Deep love relationships

[Tessa] Welcome welcome 2025. Such a year this is going to be for us all!!!

In this episode of The Open Nesters Podcast, I dive into the concept of open nesting, redefining this phase of life as not merely an empty nest but a vibrant stage filled with new adventures, relationships, and revitalized passions. I share a few reflections on the recent challenges faced by many, particularly due to the devastating fires in California, and emphasize the importance of addressing fundamental human needs as we navigate our emotional landscapes amidst chaos. For those listeners impacted by these devastating fires, my heart goes out to you. Our strength as humans is really how we deal with this kind of tragedy by banding together.

As we embrace a new year, I found inspiration in my personal journey (particularly around my own birthday) to explore the balance between hardship and beauty. One note of personal growth for me came from an online tantra course.

I was just so interested in the intricate energies at play in our bodies and how they can enhance our lives. It made me consider how we can cultivate self-trust and open ourselves to practices that might feel unfamiliar, but ultimately enrich our experience. The book I refer to is called Transcend: The New Science of Self-Actualization by Scott Barry Kaufman.

This word. This word. These overused, curious, yet ever so powerful word.

As we consider transcendence and growth in 2025, wanted to I share insights from my mindfulness practice. As I continue to explore my version of mindfulness and think often of the importance of compassion, curiosity, and courage in this quest for personal authenticity. I invite our listeners to join in meditation practices that reinforce this connection. With the Kirtan Kriya as a focal point, I guide listeners on how to connect their energy through vocalization, meditation, and movement, stressing how these practices can foster presence and vitality.

As we look forward to 2025, I encourage exploration and open-heartedness in our journeys, whether in relationships or personal growth. It’s a time to seek what makes us feel alive and to carry our gifts into the world. I invite listeners to share their experiences and insights on this path toward transcendence, highlighting the community aspect of our journey as open nesters.

We want to provide you with support and many many resources for your own Open Nesting Journey. Our resource page has so much to offer as does our private discussion group on Facebook about queerness, relationship fluidity in the empty nest, and other topics of interest:

Open Nesters Resource Page

The Open Nesters Private Facebook Group

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature.  If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

• Adventure
• Freedom of Expression
• Exploration and Fun
• Body Movement
• New circles of friends
• Deep love relationships

[Tessa] In this episode of The Open Nesters Podcast, we continue to reimagine open nesting as we reflect on our journey into Season 5.

Open nesting, a mindset that embraces new adventures, relationships, and passions, rather than viewing an empty nest as a loss.

Join us, Tessa and Amir, as we explore how we have navigated the past year, celebrating the milestones and the insightful conversations that have enriched our lives.

As we wind down Season 4 and look ahead to 2025, we share the excitement of our growth and connection with our audience. We’ve explored a variety of meaningful topics that resonate particularly with women in our community. From the nuances of mothering ourselves to navigating the joys and challenges of aging, we reflect on how these conversations have illuminated our paths. Our discussions have also touched on the complex facets of sexuality and relationship dynamics, as we’ve sought to encourage openness in love and intimacy.

This episode serves as an introspective moment where we celebrate the connections we’ve made—both with our guests and each other. We reminisce about impactful episodes focused on trust, slowing down our fast-paced lives, and the essence of being fully present. We’ve learned that rather than racing toward milestones, it’s essential to cherish each moment as it comes, creating new memories as we actively engage with our relationships, families, and even strangers in our day-to-day lives.

Looking forward, we introduce our vision for the upcoming season, which will focus on the next phase of our journey as open nesters. We aim to highlight couples who are exploring this new chapter together, sharing their experiences of maintaining individual identity while nurturing their partnership. We will also embrace travel as a theme—discussing the joys of spontaneous trips, meaningful retreats, and how exploring new places can breathe excitement into our relationships.

As we integrate our evolving personal journeys into our podcast, we also highlight the importance of community. We love that the concept of an open nest can serve as a platform for support, exploration, and connection. We’ll be welcoming experts and their insights on interpersonal dynamics and self-care.

As we wrap up this episode, we emphasize the power of language and intention in relationships, sharing how acknowledging each other as “beloved” has transformed our communication and fostered deeper connections. The year ahead offers a blank slate filled with potential, and we invite our listeners to reflect on their intentions for this new chapter in their lives.

We encourage you to connect with us, share your thoughts, and engage with our content on social media, as we are excited to expand The Open Nesters community. Subscribe to our podcast to stay updated on our journey, and join us as we navigate this path of openness together. Season 5 is set to be a transformative chapter, filled with exploration and inspiration—stay tuned for all the adventures to come!

We want to provide you with support and many many resources for your own Open Nesting Journey. Our resource page has so much to offer as does our private discussion group on Facebook about queerness, relationship fluidity in the empty nest, and other topics of interest:

Open Nesters Resource Page

The Open Nesters Private Facebook Group

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature.  If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

• Adventure
• Freedom of Expression
• Exploration and Fun
• Body Movement
• New circles of friends
• Deep love relationships

[Tessa] In this episode of The Open Nesters Podcast, we have an enlightening conversation with Kevin Frest, a leading publisher, agent and photographer. Kevins’ career is extremely interesting. In Kevin’s own words: 

I came from Gary, Indiana. I had to go somewhere so I chose San Francisco thinking I might end up in New York. I started this whole international publishing company….

The big takeaway for me is seize the day, do it, and don’t wait and complain about not being around for the results. Plant the tree and maybe somebody else will benefit from those fruits, but hey at least you got to plant it.

Over the last 30 years, Kevin Frest has enjoyed an expansive career as an art publisher and agent in addition to his distinguished work as a photographer.  He has worked with and published some of the most successful artists of his generation, including Erte, with whom he collaborated on a series of sculptural works called the Erte Luminieres.   His photos have been published in The New York Times, New York Post, Daily Mail, Francisco Chronicle, to just name a few. Kevin was commissioned for the book, Treasures of the Conservatory of Flowers, with text by Nina Sazevich.

After a lifetime of building other artist careers,  focused his energies as an urban photographer, specializing in street photography, night photography and artistic portraiture.  He is now entering a new and vital period in his long career with his highly anticipated photographic collection Poetry of the Night which takes the viewer on a journey into the streets and byways of Americana to find the hidden vistas of the night. (You can read more about this project in his Artist Statement here.) He traveled to the high Andes in Ecuador with his studio to photograph indigenous Shaman.

We want to provide you with support and many many resources for your own Open Nesting Journey. Our resource page has so much to offer as does our private discussion group on Facebook about queerness, relationship fluidity in the empty nest, and other topics of interest:

Open Nesters Resource Page

The Open Nesters Private Facebook Group

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature.  If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

• Adventure
• Freedom of Expression
• Exploration and Fun
• Body Movement
• New circles of friends
• Deep love relationships

[TESSA] On the surface it is a joyous American celebration. Thanksgiving. Yet dangers lurk in this annual gathering of family around the table.

Today we spend some time working through the relationships we have with our older children. When the ties are strained or even broken Thanksgiving can be a dark holiday. In our wonderfully open society, it could be that kids come out at Thanksgiving. Or we learn that they are exploring new sexual and relationship paths that we might not have anticipated. You cannot open a TikTok without seeing new self-expression that might be foreign to our 50+ Open Nesters. And that comes home this time of year.

If you have stories that you want to share on this topic, continue the conversation by jumping on our private Facebook group. Or send me a note at tessa@theopennesters.com.

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

• Adventure
•  Freedom of Expression
•  Exploration and Fun
•  Body Movement
•  New circles of friends
•  Deep love relationships

[Tessa] In this episode of The Open Nesters Podcast, we have an enlightening conversation with Dr. Dawson Church, a leading expert on the intersection of psychology, spirituality, and neuroscience. We delve into the rich themes surrounding the idea of open nesting, a mindset that encourages exploration and growth as we navigate what many refer to as the ’empty nest’ phase of life. Dr. Church introduces the concept of resilience, emphasizing how our later years can be filled with vitality, purpose, joy, and connection.

Dr. Church begins by sharing insights from his extensive background, which includes growing up in diverse cultural settings and immersing himself in spiritual communities. This foundation paved the way for his interest in psychology, particularly his research into PTSD and elevated mental states. He highlights the unique brain structures that facilitate happiness and emotional well-being, explaining how meditation and other evidence-based practices can help individuals tap into their inherent capacity for joy.

We explore the rituals Dr. Church employs in his daily life, including meditation and movement practices, which not only enhance his mental state but also contribute to his overall resilience. He reflects on his personal challenges, including the devastating Tubbs Fire and its aftermath, illustrating the power of meditation and emotional training as tools for navigating adversity. These experiences inform his belief that while we cannot avoid suffering, we can cultivate resilience that enhances our ability to cope effectively.

The discussion shifts towards practical strategies, as Dr. Church outlines the importance of establishing a baseline practice of meditation and a crisis intervention technique, such as acupressure, to regulate mental states. He passionately encourages listeners to embrace meditation as more than a fleeting state of relaxation, but as a way to fundamentally alter the structure and function of their brains for long-term well-being. He emphasizes that even a short daily commitment can lead to significant changes in happiness levels and emotional resilience.

Dr. Church also discusses the relevance of optimism in the aging process, citing research that suggests optimists live longer and achieve greater happiness. He provides a refreshing perspective on aging, drawing from studies of the so-called “blue zones,” locations known for their high populations of centenarians, where the inhabitants thrive in their later years. We examine how consistently choosing gratitude and compassion can enrich our lives as we transition into new stages and roles.

Dr. Church acknowledges that meditation isn’t a one-size-fits-all approach, encouraging listeners to explore various styles that resonate with their individual preferences—be it movement, sound, or traditional sitting meditations. He shares heartfelt anecdotes about his own family’s dynamics and the challenges of supporting loved ones through difficult times, highlighting the delicate balance between offering help and allowing others the freedom to find their own paths.

In wrapping up the episode, Dr. Church speaks about the exciting quest for understanding brain functionality related to emotional states and suffering. He invites listeners to embrace the notion that life remains full of possibilities, regardless of age, and emphasizes the transformative potential of mindful practices. Our conversation encapsulates the spirit of open nesting, inspiring the pursuit of a life that not only survives but thrives, filled with love, joy, and a commitment to self-discovery.

Listeners are encouraged to explore Dr. Church’s work further, including his teachings at Omega Institute and other venues, as well as to engage with the resources he provides for cultivating resilience and well-being. This episode serves as a powerful reminder that we hold the keys to our happiness and can choose to fill our lives with joy, connection, and abundance at any stage.

We want to provide you with support and many many resources for your own Open Nesting Journey. Our resource page has so much to offer as does our private discussion group on Facebook about queerness, relationship fluidity in the empty nest, and other topics of interest:

Open Nesters Resource Page

The Open Nesters Private Facebook Group

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature.  If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

• Adventure
• Freedom of Expression
• Exploration and Fun
• Body Movement
• New circles of friends
• Deep love relationships

[Tessa] In this episode, we engage with Anne More, a returning guest whose insights on aging and eroticism resonate deeply with our journey as open nesters. We explore the concept of “open nesting”—a vibrant approach to life after children have left home.

This discussion is enriched by Anne’s expertise in boundaries, sensuality, and the celebration of aging. Our focus is not just on surviving this stage of life, but thriving by opening ourselves up to new possibilities in relationships, passions, and self-discovery

We dive into the importance of celebrating our bodies as we age, acknowledging the physical changes that come with time. Anne shares her wisdom on shifting the conversation from self-judgment to acceptance, emphasizing the power of surrender in our journey of self-love. We reflect on how it can be challenging to embrace the changes our bodies undergo, particularly when influenced by societal standards and expectations regarding beauty and youth. Through compassionate dialogue, we explore how close interactions with nature can foster a sense of belonging and acceptance for our evolving selves.

Anne introduces practical exercises to expand our relationship with pleasure, urging listeners to engage in “solo pleasure” practices that prioritize self-exploration over performance. We discuss the transformative potential of mirror work, where we learn to appreciate our bodies as they are, redefining beauty through the lens of age and experience. This practice encourages us to find joy in the present moment, letting go of past comparisons and future anxieties.

As we navigate the complexities of intimacy, Ann emphasizes the significance of communication and the erotic blueprints, which guide couples towards a deeper understanding of each other’s desires. Our conversation explores the dynamics of giving and receiving in relationships, highlighting the potential for empowering shifts, particularly in the context of evolving sexual landscapes as we grow older.

Furthermore, we explore the realm of kink and shibari, recognizing how these practices can cultivate trust and vulnerability within partnerships. Anne eloquently describes the healing aspects of being bound and the exploration of power dynamics, and how these experiences enable deeper connection and intimacy.

Throughout our discussion, gratitude emerges as a central theme, a tool to reframe our perception of aging. We celebrate the wisdom that comes with experience and recognize the beauty of self-acceptance, finding appreciation in the journey rather than focusing on the limitations. Ann encourages us to lean into our vulnerabilities and to allow ourselves to receive support from others as we step into our roles as elders.

Together, we acknowledge that aging is a dynamic process filled with uncertainty and joy. By reimagining our relationships and embracing the fullness of our identities, we can forge deeper connections with ourselves and one another. This episode serves as an invitation to every open nester out there to cultivate resilience, explore intimacy in new forms, and embrace the endless possibilities that lie ahead.

We want to provide you with support and many many resources for your own Open Nesting Journey. Our resource page has so much to offer as does our private discussion group on Facebook about queerness, relationship fluidity in the empty nest, and other topics of interest:

Open Nesters Resource Page

The Open Nesters Private Facebook Group

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature.  If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

• Adventure
• Freedom of Expression
• Exploration and Fun
• Body Movement
• New circles of friends
• Deep love relationships

[Tessa] In this episode of the Open Nesters podcast we’re playing with the unexpected!

What a rich conversation with Laura and Izzy!! This is a dynamic couple who embody the evolving landscape of relationships after Laura’s children left the nest. The discussion dives deep into the challenges and triumphs of navigating life in Act 3, exploring themes of family obligations, autonomy, and the complexities of a non-traditional partnership.

Laura, previously married with two grown children and grandchildren, reflects on her relationship with Izzy, whom she has been with for 16 years. Their journey has required patience and understanding, particularly as Laura managed her close ties to her family while Izzy approached life with different expectations rooted in his experience as a non-parent. We delve into the intricacies of cohabitation without marriage, highlighting how their relationship has thrived through clear communication and mutual respect despite their differing family circumstances.

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Izzy shares his perspective, illustrating the tension that can arise when balancing individual desires with the practicalities of shared life. The couple discusses how they created a shared entity in their relationship, recognizing that their individual needs sometimes conflict. They candidly address the challenges they faced and how they overcame them, culminating in their unique framework of coexistence that honors their individuality while allowing for shared dreams.

A significant turning point in their relationship came when Laura embraced the idea of polyamory, which Izzy had been interested in exploring. The two recount their thoughtful journey towards opening up their relationship—how they set parameters, communicated openly about their feelings, and navigated jealousy. Laura recalls the growth in her understanding of Izzy’s needs, leading her to realize that his relationship with another partner could actually enhance her own experience.

We also talk through the role of improvisation in their lives, exploring how the principles of applied improv can serve as a valuable tool for navigating uncertainty and change in relationships. Through playful interactions, we illustrate the essence of “yes, and” thinking—tapping into curiosity and openness instead of rigid expectations.

This attitude has allowed Laura and Izzy to adapt to life’s unpredictable nature with humor, resilience, and authenticity.

We want to provide you with support and many many resources for your own Open Nesting Journey. Our resource page has so much to offer as does our private discussion group on Facebook about queerness, relationship fluidity in the empty nest, and other topics of interest:

Open Nesters Resource Page

The Open Nesters Private Facebook Group

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature.  If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

• Adventure
• Freedom of Expression
• Exploration and Fun
• Body Movement
• New circles of friends
• Deep love relationships

[Tessa] In this episode of The Open Nesters Podcast, we dive deep into the vibrant world of open relationships with returning guests CJ, Linwood and their partner April. Our conversation explores the transformative experiences of modern relationships, particularly as they relate to the concept of “open nesting.” We are reminded that entering this new chapter of life offers not an end, but endless possibilities, exciting adventures, and rich connections.

CJ shares her journey since last appearing on the podcast, highlighting how her relationship with Linwood has evolved over time. The introduction of April as a new partner brings forth a discussion about trust, connection, and the beauty of forming bonds that go beyond traditional norms. We explore how the trio navigates their relationship dynamics, emphasizing the importance of communication and understanding among all parties involved. The conversation invites listeners to rethink their approaches to intimacy and relationships, expanding their definitions beyond societal expectations.

April provides insight into her experience as she integrates into an established partnership. She emphasizes the joy of meeting partners’ family members and the normalization of their unconventional relationship dynamic for their children. The significance of openness in their relationships also extends to how they discuss non-traditional lifestyles with their families. Through shared dinners and family gatherings, they illustrate how love can exist in myriad forms and how acceptance for these different dynamics is essential for modern families.

Our talk also reveals the deeper implications of “aging” and its intersection with sexual vitality. CJ introduces a new concept she’s passionate about—“pleasure span.” This idea intertwines health and pleasure, advocating for the prioritization of well-being and sexual satisfaction as we age. She dives into discussions around menopausal hormone therapy, emphasizing that taking charge of one’s health and pleasure during this stage of life is crucial. Through practical advice, CJ encourages listeners to advocate for themselves in medical settings, breaking the stigmas surrounding women’s health issues.

Moreover, CJ and April share their thoughts on remaining connected through intimacy—both emotional and physical. They discuss how the journey towards pleasure is not bound by age or physical capabilities, encouraging women to explore their desires without fear or shame. This episode highlights the importance of being open to new experiences, whether through relationships, kink, or simply through prioritizing one’s pleasure.

The underlying theme of agency resonates throughout the conversation. As CJ eloquently puts it, understanding one’s own desires and advocating for them can transform the aging process into a period of exciting discovery rather than decline. This proactive approach encourages listeners to embrace their identities, fostering a culture of support among women navigating similar paths.

As the episode wraps up, we reflect on the valuable lessons shared by CJ, Linwood, and April, leaving us with thoughts on how to amplify our own pleasure spans and connections in an ever-evolving landscape of relationships. The journey in open nesting is framed not just as a phase of life, but as an ongoing adventure rich with learning, growth, and unabashed joy. This conversation offers a refreshing perspective that challenges conventional narratives about aging and relationships, affirming that love and connection can flourish in diverse and thrilling ways.

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Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature.  If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

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[Tessa] In this episode of The Open Nesters Podcast, I sit down with Cameron Syke, a man whose journey through the complexities of relationships and personal growth perfectly embodies the spirit of the open nesting philosophy. We explore how this stage of life, often viewed through a lens of emptiness, can instead be a doorway to newfound adventures, friendships, and deeper life meanings. Cameron’s story is not only heartfelt; it holds valuable lessons about love, loss, and the courage to redefine oneself.

Cameron opens up about his life experiences, beginning with a poignant account of losing his first wife two decades ago in a tragic accident. This profound loss shaped him and his relationship with his children, who, now in their thirties, have developed into successful adults with families of their own. Cameron shares the delicate balance of navigating relationships with them, especially in light of his recent divorce from his second wife—a process that, despite its challenges, has been marked by mutual respect and a shared understanding.

Diving into the open nesting concept, we discuss the importance of expanding one’s horizons at this stage in life. Cameron reflects on how online dating has allowed him to meet new people and forge friendships outside of his usual circles. We explore the broader implications of open nesting, spotlighting the joy of connecting with others who uplift and inspire us, regardless of traditional relationship definitions. Cameron’s openness to embracing different forms of love and friendship speaks volumes about his growth and adaptability.

A significant focus of our discussion revolves around Cameron’s passion for philanthropy, particularly his work with the nonprofit Voice for Children International. He passionately articulates how the organization impacts thousands of impoverished children in Central America. This work ignites a sense of purpose in his life, reinforcing the notion of giving back while creating meaningful connections with diverse communities. The conversation takes a philosophical turn as we ponder the nature of love, compassion, and the potential for fulfilling relationships that encourage both independence and connection.

As we explore Cameron’s transition from a successful career as a business lawyer to a life devoted to humanitarian efforts, he highlights the importance of nurturing the emotional and creative aspects of oneself. Our chat provides insights into how this pivot has enriched not only his life but also the lives of those he serves. We’re reminded that true happiness often resides in simplification—downsizing material possessions, embracing new experiences, and cultivating a life filled with love and laughter.

Throughout the interview, Cameron emphasizes the power of companionship and community during the open-nesting phase. He calls for a shift in mindset—one that welcomes rather than shuns new relationships, making room for joy and excitement as we traverse this new chapter of life. The discussion concludes with a powerful reminder that our ability to embrace openness and love can lead to a more fulfilling and connected existence, encouraging listeners to seek out adventures and friendships that resonate deeply with them.

With Cameron’s insights and stories serving as guideposts, we’re encouraged to unlock the possibilities that lay ahead when we allow ourselves to be truly open to new experiences and connections.