This week we’re joined by Dr. Mary Cail, author of Dementia and the Church: Memory, Care, and Inclusion and Alzheimer's: A Crash Course for Friends and Relatives. She explains why the church’s role can be so important in caring for those impacted by dementia, some basic steps to start in memory ministry, and why ‘informed compassion’ is so important.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- CXMH ep. 142 - People Living With Dementia and Their Caregivers (feat. Dr. Brianna Garrison & Dr. Dennis Myers)

Connect with Mary on her website, on Facebook, or on Instagram. Buy Dementia and the Church: Memory, Care, and Inclusion on Amazon.

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Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram, or buy her book The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- the Hogg Foundation for Mental Health

- Collaborative Family Healthcare Association

- the Behavioral Health Consultant Certificate Course that Dr. Scott teaches

- Trauma-Focused CBT Certification program

- Parent-Child Interaction Therapy (PCIT)

- the Unified Protocol Institute

- The National Child Traumatic Stress Network

- iCare Collaborative

- a NYT article on how to find a therapist

Connect with Dr. Scott on her faculty page.

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

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Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram, or buy her book The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- CXMH ep. 41 - Putting the Revolution Back In Racial Reconciliation (feat. Austin Channing Brown)

- CXMH ep. 129 - Healing Our Internal World, Spiritual Practices, & Moving Beyond Empire Theology (feat. Lisa Colón DeLay)

Connect with Rev. Pratt on her website, on Instagram, or on Twitter. Listen to the Nuance Tea podcast.

Buy A Brown Girl's Epiphany: Reclaim Your Intuition and Step into Your Power.

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

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Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram, or buy her book The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Ways to support CXMH:

- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

- give a one-time gift using PayPal

- Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

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- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- Age Of Opportunity: Lessons from the New Science of Adolescence by Laurence Steinberg

- Inventing Ourselves: The Secret Life of the Teenage Brain by Sarah-Jayne Blakemore

- Books by Dr. Lisa Damour:

- - Under Pressure: Confronting the Epidemic of Stress and Anxiety in Girls

- - Untangled: Guiding Teenage Girls Through the Seven Transitions into Adulthood

- - The Emotional Lives of Teenagers: Raising Connected, Capable, and Compassionate Adolescents

- Dr. Damour’s podcast: Ask Lisa: The Psychology of Parenting

- Parenting a Teen Who Has Intense Emotions: DBT Skills to Help Your Teen Navigate Emotional and Behavioral Challenges by Pat Harvey and Britt H. Rathbone

- The Teenage Brain: A Neuroscientist's Survival Guide to Raising Adolescents and Young Adults by Frances E. Jensen, MD

- CXMH ep. 168 - Our Teens are Sleep-Deprived (& It's Hurting Their Mental Health) (feat. Lisa L. Lewis)

- CXMH ep. 109 - Teens, Stress, & Mindfulness (feat. Gina Biegel)

- CXMH ep. 70 - Teens, Anxiety, & Self-Esteem (feat. Lisa Schab)

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

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Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram, or buy her book The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Ways to support CXMH:

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- give a one-time gift using PayPal

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- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- CXMH ep. 116 - Loving Your Neighbor During a Pandemic (feat. Dr. Emily Smith)

Connect with Dr. Smith on her SubStack, on Facebook, on Instagram, or buy her new book The Science of the Good Samaritan: Thinking Bigger about Loving Our Neighbors.

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

Connect with Robert on his website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram, or buy her book The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Ways to support CXMH:

- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

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- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- CXMH ep. 134 - Prayers & Liturgies for Parents (feat. Kayla Craig)

- the free resources Kayla is giving CXMH listeners, including conversation cards, sample chapters, daily prayers, and a Spotify playlist.

Connect with Kayla on her website, on Facebook, Substack, Spotify, Instagram, or GoodReads. Buy Every Season Sacred: Reflections, Prayers, and Invitations to Nourish Your Soul and Nurture Your Family throughout the Year or her first book, To Light Their Way.

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

Connect with Robert on his website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram, or buy her book The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Ways to support CXMH:

- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

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- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- The Artist’s Way: A Spiritual Path to Higher Creativity by Julia Cameron

- Artists For Joy podcast episode: ‘Burnout’

- Artists for Joy podcast episode: ‘Listen to this when you feel burnt out’

Connect with Meredith on her website, Facebook, Instagram, or Threads. Preorder The Artist's Joy: A Guide to Getting Unstuck, Embracing Imperfection, and Loving Your Creative Life. Listen to the Artists For Joy podcast here.

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

Connect with Robert on his website, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or Threads.

Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or Threads. Buy her book The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Pinterest, or Threads.

Ways to support CXMH:

- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

- give a one-time gift using PayPal

- Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

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- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- Check out all the episodes from Season 7 and beyond on our episodes page!

- specific episodes we mention (in order of mention):

- CXMH ep. 170 - Felt Safety, Honoring Our Needs, & the Flow of Strength (feat. Aundi Kolber)

- CXMH ep. 162 - Celebrating One Year of The Soul of the Helper (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler)

- CXMH ep. 165 - Trauma-Informed Preaching (feat. Dr. Sarah Travis)

- CXMH ep. 164 - Self-Harm: Compassionate Understanding & Healing (feat. Dr. Janis Whitlock)

- Robert mentions a quote from Dr. Lisa Damour

- CXMH ep. 111 - Thriving in Adversity, Blooming in the Dark (feat. Dr. Michelle Pearce)

- CXMH ep. 55 - CBT for Christians (feat. Dr. Michelle Pearce)

- CXMH ep. 85 - Why & How Should Therapists Talk About Faith? (feat. Dr. Cassandra Vieten)

- CXMH ep. 58 - Religious Coping Skills: Good, Bad, or Both? (feat. Dr. Kenneth Pargament)

- CXMH ep. 132 - Moral Injury (feat. Dr. Joseph Currier)

- CXMH ep. 91 - Spiritual Bypassing (feat. Dr. Jesse Fox)

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

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Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram, or buy her book The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Ways to support CXMH:

- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

- give a one-time gift using PayPal

- Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

- Do your Amazon shopping through this link

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- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- Aundi’s first book, Try Softer: A Fresh Approach to Move Us out of Anxiety, Stress, and Survival Mode--and into a Life of Connection and Joy

- The Try Softer Guided Journey: A Soulful Companion to Healing

- CXMH ep. 89 - Trying Softer, Self Compassion, & Moving from Survival to Joy (feat. Aundi Kolber)

- CXMH ep. 42 - Everyday Grief & Learning to Feel Feelings (feat. Aundi Kolber)

- CXMH ep. 32 - Trauma, Attachment, & Creating Safety (feat. Aundi Kolber)

- CXMH ep. 144 - Embodiment, Healing, & Working With Our Bodies (feat. Dr. Hillary McBride)

- CXMH ep. 124 - Nervous Systems, Bottom-Up Safety, & Learning from Each Other (feat. Nia Baker)

- CXMH ep. 153 - How to Be a Trauma-Informed Community (feat. Dr. Amy Marschall)

Connect with Aundi on her website, on Facebook, on Instagram, or on Twitter.

Buy Strong like Water: Finding the Freedom, Safety, and Compassion to Move through Hard Things--and Experience True Flourishing on Amazon. Buy her other books on Amazon.

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

Connect with Robert on his website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram, or buy her book The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Ways to support CXMH:

- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

- give a one-time gift using PayPal

- Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

- Do your Amazon shopping through this link

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- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- CXMH ep. 38 - The Enneagram & Our Faith Journey (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler & Dr. Jon Singletary)

- CXMH ep. 39 - The Enneagram & Communities (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler & Dr. Jon Singletary)

- CXMH ep. 92 - Neuroscience, Faith, Identity, the Enneagram, & Self-Care (feat. Dr. Jerome Lubbe)

- CXMH ep. 93 - Using the Enneagram & Neuroscience for Practical Growth (feat. Dr. Jerome Lubbe)

Connect with Suzanne on her website, on Twitter, on Instagram, or on Facebook. Listen to The Enneagram Journey podcast, or buy Suzanne’s books on Amazon. Learn more about Life in the Trinity Ministry.

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

Connect with Robert on his website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram, or buy her book The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Ways to support CXMH:

- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

- give a one-time gift using PayPal

- Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

- Do your Amazon shopping through this link

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- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

This week we’re joined by Lisa L. Lewis, author of The Sleep-Deprived Teen: Why Our Teenagers Are So Tired, and How Parents and Schools Can Help Them Thrive. She talks with us about how much sleep adolescents need, how we can help make changes from our houses to our school systems, and why it’s so important.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- We mention Start School Later, “a coalition of health professionals, sleep scientists, educators, parents, students, and other concerned citizens dedicated to increasing public awareness about the relationship between sleep and school hours and to ensuring school start times compatible with health, safety, education, and equity.”

- Learn more about Start School Later’s local chapters.

- CXMH ep. 57 - Why We Need Better Sleep (& How to Get It) (feat. Dr. Michael Scullin)

Connect with Lisa on her website, on Instagram, on Twitter, or buy The Sleep-Deprived Teen: Why Our Teenagers Are So Tired, and How Parents and Schools Can Help Them Thrive on Amazon.

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

Connect with Robert on his website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram, or buy her book The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Ways to support CXMH:

- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

- give a one-time gift using PayPal

- Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

- Do your Amazon shopping through this link

- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play

- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- Dr. Trammel’s Ted Talk: ‘Using Mindfulness to Deal with Everyday Pressures’

Connect with Regina on her website, on Instagram, on her faculty page, or buy A Counselor's Guide to Christian Mindfulness: Engaging the Mind, Body, and Soul in Biblical Practices and Therapies on Amazon.

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

Connect with Robert on his website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram, or buy her book The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Ways to support CXMH:

- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

- give a one-time gift using PayPal

- Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

- Do your Amazon shopping through this link

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- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- CXMH ep. 103 - How We Move Through Suffering (feat. Dr. Daryl Van Tongeren & Sara Showalter Van Tongeren)

Connect with Daryl on his website, on Instagram, on Twitter, or buy Humble: Free Yourself from the Traps of a Narcissistic World on Amazon.

Quotes:

- “Humility…is our ability to know ourselves, to check ourselves, and go beyond ourselves.” (tweet)

- “Humility is about being the right size.” (tweet)

- “The moving sidewalk is always moving towards narcissistic arrogance.” (tweet)

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

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Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram, or buy her book The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Ways to support CXMH:

- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

- give a one-time gift using PayPal

- Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

- Do your Amazon shopping through this link

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- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- CXMH ep. 91 - Spiritual Bypassing (feat. Dr. Jesse Fox)

- CXMH ep. 50 - Preaching About Mental Health (feat. Mary Alice Birdwhistell)

Connect with Dr. Travis on her website, her faculty page, or on Twitter. Buy Unspeakable: Preaching and Trauma-Informed Theology on Amazon or check out Dr. Travis’s other books.

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

Connect with Robert on his website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram, or buy her book The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Ways to support CXMH:

- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

- give a one-time gift using PayPal

- Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

- Do your Amazon shopping through this link

- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play

- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.



This week we’re joined by Dr. Janis Whitlock, one of the authors of Healing Self-Injury: A Compassionate Guide for Parents and Other Loved Ones. Dr. Whitlock talks about what self-injury is (2:46), how it differs from suicidal actions (3:47), ways self-harm can happen (4:59), current rates/trends (6:07), how self-harm works (8:18), first steps when helping someone (13:50), and much more.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- get information about the forthcoming book The Oxford Handbook of Nonsuicidal Self-Injury

- Healing Self-Injury: A Compassionate Guide for Parents and Other Loved Ones by Janis Whitlock, PhD and Elizabeth Lloyd-Richardson, PhD

- CXMH ep. 12 - Non-Suicidal Self-Injury (feat. Dr. Janis Whitlock)

- Cornell’s Self-Injury & Recovery Resources page

Connect with Dr. Whitlock on her Cornell faculty page, or visit the SIRR page. Buy Healing Self-Injury: A Compassionate Guide for Parents and Other Loved Ones on Amazon.

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

Connect with Robert on his website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram, or buy her book The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Ways to support CXMH:

- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

- give a one-time gift using PayPal

- Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

- Do your Amazon shopping through this link

- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play

- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

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Have you ever wondered why you’re still tired if you’re getting enough sleep? How do we know if we’re actually even resting? Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith stops by the show to tell us about 7 different types of rest and how to make sure we’re actually restoring what we’re pouring out.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- Dr. Dalton-Smith’s quiz to determine what types of rest you’re getting (or not getting)

- CXMH episode 86 - Grieving During the Holidays (feat. Lanta Carroll)

Connect with Dr. Dalton-Smith on her website, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Pinterest, or LinkedIn. You can also listen to her ‘I Choose My Best Life’ podcast or buy Sacred Rest: Recover Your Life, Renew Your Energy, Restore Your Sanity on Amazon.

Quotes:

- “Sleep and rest are not the same thing.” (tweet)

- “Rest should equal restoration in the same areas that I’m pouring out.” (tweet)

- “Rest isn’t laziness. Rest is part of the process of me being my best self.” (tweet)

- “Just stopping work is not rest.” (tweet)

- “Do we really want to pour out from our emptiness?” (tweet)

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

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Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram, or buy her book The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Ways to support CXMH:

- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

- give a one-time gift using PayPal

- Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

- Do your Amazon shopping through this link

- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play

- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- The Simple Faith of Mister Rogers by Amy Hollingsworth

- CXMH ep. 143 - Seeing the Sacred in Ourselves & Each Other (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler)

- Rick’s song As I Walk These Halls

- Chaplaincy: A Ministry of Presence by Matt Sanders

- I Am Mister Rogers by Brad Meltzer

Connect with Rick on his website, on Twitter, on Instagram, on Facebook, and listen to the Voices in My Head Podcast.

Stream his music wherever you listen to music using the links on his website.

Listen to Welcome To The Neighborhood: A Mr. Rogers Tribute Podcast, follow @MrRogersSay on Twitter or on Instagram.

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

Connect with Robert on his website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram, or buy her book The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Ways to support CXMH:

- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

- give a one-time gift using PayPal

- Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

- Do your Amazon shopping through this link

- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play

- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- buy The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others on Amazon

- CXMH ep. 143 - Seeing the Sacred in Ourselves & Each Other (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler)

- CXMH ep. 31 - Does It Matter If Your Therapist Is Christian? (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler)

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

Connect with Robert on his website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Ways to support CXMH:

- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

- give a one-time gift using PayPal

- Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

- Do your Amazon shopping through this link

- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play

- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

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Content warning: in this episode we talk about suicide

This week we’re joined by Brandon Johnson, public health expert and creator of The Black Mental Wellness Lounge. We talk about why conversations specific to black mental health matter (including suicide prevention), how a public health lens helps, and the role that the black church can play. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about famous people from their hometowns.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- the Instagram Live that Robert & Holly did recently

- order Holly’s book now: The Soul of The Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It In Others

- The Black Mental Wellness Lounge on YouTube

- the video we mention: “Mental Health and The Black Church Roundtable”

- CXMH ep. 25 - Race, Faith, & Mental Health (feat. Dr. Sherry Molock & Dr. Amber Thornton)

Connect with Brandon on Twitter, or check out The Black Mental Wellness Lounge on YouTube. Connect with The Black Mental Wellness Lounge on Facebook or on Instagram.

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

Connect with Robert on his website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Ways to support CXMH:

- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

- give a one-time gift using PayPal

- Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

- Do your Amazon shopping through this link

- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play

- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- Waiting to be Wanted: A Stepmom's Guide to Loving Before Being Loved by Cheryl Shumake

Connect with Eryn on Instagram or Twitter. Connect with So Worth Loving on the website, on Instagram, on Twitter, or on Facebook. Buy So Worth Loving: How Discovering Your True Value Changes Everything on Amazon or wherever you buy books.

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

Connect with Robert on his website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

Connect with Holly on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Ways to support CXMH:

- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

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- Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

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Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- Makers & Mystics S9 E02: The Soul of The Helper with Holly Oxhandler

- Stephen’s book Naming the Animals: An Invitation to Creativity

- CXMH ep. 80 - Music & Ministry (feat. Rivers & Robots)

- CXMH ep. 122 - How Writing Can Shape Your Past, Present, & Future (feat. Allison Fallon)

- Faith, Hope and Carnage by Nick Cave & Seán O’Hagan

- The Creative Act: A Way of Being by Rick Rubin

Connect with Stephen on Instagram, Twitter,

Listen to Makers & Mystics, check out The Breath & The Clay, or listen to Songs of Water.

Quotes:

- “Creativity is inherently spiritual. And healthy spirituality will always be expressed through creativity.”

- “Whatever way we bring truth, goodness, and beauty to the world; that’s the art that the world needs.”

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Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- Embracing Rhythms of Work and Rest: From Sabbath to Sabbatical and Back Again by Ruth Haley Barton

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Connect with Morgan on her website, on Instagram, on Twitter, on Pinterest, or on Facebook. Buy Peace Is a Practice: An Invitation to Breathe Deep and Find a New Rhythm for Life on Amazon.

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- CXMH ep. 138 - Autism, Faith, & the Gifts of Neurodiversity (feat. Daniel Bowman Jr.)

- CXMH ep. 90 - Small Beginnings, Other People's Stories, & Being Made to Make (feat. Morgan Harper Nichols)

Connect with Morgan on her website, on Instagram, on Twitter, on Pinterest, or on Facebook. Buy Peace Is a Practice: An Invitation to Breathe Deep and Find a New Rhythm for Life on Amazon.

Quotes:

- “There are no real destinations in nature.” (tweet)

- “If we want to practice peace, we have to do it collectively.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- Caring for Souls in a Neoliberal Age by Bruce Rogers-Vaughn

- Bruce Rogers-Vaughn’s article: “Blessed Are Those Who Mourn: Depression as Political Resistance”

Connect with Eric on his website, on Twitter, or on Instagram. Buy It's Not You, It's Everything: What Our Pain Reveals about the Anxious Pursuit of the Good Life.

Quotes:

- “What if…we’re constantly given individual responsibility for bearing the symptoms of an out-of-control society, and then blamed for not being better at doing it?” (tweet)

- “I’d like us to connect the pain to the actual experience we’re having as people on earth.” (tweet)

- “If we listen to our pain before turning it into a symptom or a disease or an individual failure, it will tell us something.” (tweet)

- “I think it’s more helpful if we can treat our pain respectfully and empathize with it for a minute, rather than immediately pathologizing it or internalizing it as a form of failure.” (tweet)

- “Sometimes the ways in which teenagers exhibit the symptoms that we hate to see as adults, I think they’re giving us really keen insight into what the problem is.” (tweet)

- “When all of us are parentified by a system that is destructively entitled to us…it’s difficult to survive.” (tweet)

- “When capitalism remains an unchecked feature of our lives, it becomes internalized to the point that we use a business framework for making decisions about everything.” (tweet)

- “What does it look like to practice Christianity, which is a radial form of collectivism and self-sacrifice, in a world that’s only interested in self-interest?” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- CXMH ep. 155 - Spirituality in Therapy Sessions (feat. Russell Siler Jones)

- the Look Up Conference that Holly mentions

- the Puddcast ep #110: Facing depression with saints from the past (with Diana Gruver)

Connect with Diana on her website, on Facebook, or on Twitter. Buy Companions in the Darkness: Seven Saints Who Struggled with Depression and Doubt on Amazon.

Quotes:

- “I don’t know of a better way to unravel stigma than through the telling of stories.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- ACPE’s website, and their Spiritually Integrated Psychotherapy (SIP) program

- CXMH ep. 81 - Closing the Chasm Between Spirituality & Treatment (feat. Dr. David Rosmarin)

- CXMH ep. 85 - Why & How Should Therapists Talk About Faith? (feat. Dr. Cassandra Vieten)

- CXMH ep. 31 - Does It Matter If Your Therapist Is Christian? (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler)

- CXMH ep. 58 - Religious Coping Skills: Good, Bad, or Both? (feat. Dr. Kenneth Pargament)

- Russell mentions the work of Brian Doyle (specifically, Mink River)

Connect with Russell on his website and buy Spirit in Session: Working with Your Client’s Spirituality (and Your Own) in Psychotherapy on Amazon.

Quotes:

- “We’re never not a physical body, we’re never not a mind, and we’re never not a spirit. It’s always there.” (tweet)

- “When patience is happening, something spiritual is happening. When kindness is happening, something spiritual is happening.” (tweet)

- “The way through a struggle is through it, not around it.” (tweet)

- “If you’ve ever been Job, you know what it’s like when friends show up and try to give you easy answers.” (tweet)

- “Being on your own spiritual journey is probably the best thing you can do to be able to accompany others on their spiritual journey.” (tweet)

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Today we’re joined by Dr. Jill Harrington, editor of Superhero Grief: the Transformative Power of Loss. She teaches us about grieving styles, the continuing bonds theory, and unpacks some types of loss (such as cumulative & collective loss and ambiguous loss).

Jill A. Harrington, DSW, LCSW is an Adjunct Professor for the Chicago School of Professional Psychology, Washington DC Campus (TCSPP-DC) as well as a Part-Time Lecturer for Rutgers University School of Social Work. Dr. Harrington also maintains an active clinical counseling practice in the Greater Washington DC Area. She is one of the first published authors on the subject of bereavement in U.S. military families and she has been a practicing social worker for over twenty years with a special focus on the intersection of trauma, loss, and bereavement. She has published numerous peer-reviewed articles and book chapters, and is the creator & lead editor of the new, creative textbook, entitled, Superhero Grief: The Transformative Power of Loss (2021).

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- the Look Up Conference that Holly mentions in the intro

- Holly’s upcoming ACPE webinar on April 22nd

- Holly mentions Joe Padilla’s episode: 88 - Practical Tools for Mental Health Ministry (feat. Joe Padilla)

- CXMH ep. 151 - Grief, Certainty, Deconstruction, & Superheroes (feat. James Prescott)

- CXMH ep. 131 - Finding Joy Amidst Tragedy (feat. Dr. Angela Gorrell)

- CXMH ep. 111 - Thriving in Adversity, Blooming in the Dark (feat. Dr. Michelle Pearce)

- CXMH ep. 103 - How We Move Through Suffering (feat. Dr. Daryl Van Tongeren & Sara Showalter Van Tongeren)

- CXMH ep. 42 - Everyday Grief & Learning to Feel Feelings (feat. Aundi Kolber)

- CXMH ep. 19 - "There are parts of me that will never be completely healed." (feat. Kay Warren)

- CXMH ep. 17 - Grief & Loss (feat. John Pavlovitz & Dr. Elizabeth Horn)

Connect with Dr. Harrington on Facebook, on Twitter, or get Superhero Grief: The Transformative Power of Loss on Amazon.

Quotes:

- “As death is permanent, so is our relationship with people we love. So grief is always with us. Always.” (tweet)

- “If we love people…we’re never going to just ‘let them go’ or ‘get over it.’” (tweet)

- “Death may end…a physical life, but that relationship never dies. It just changes.” (tweet)

- “We need time to process loss. Because loss spurns on change, and change requires us to adapt.” (tweet)

- “We need to create a more grief-informed society.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- Trauma-Informed Pastoral Care: How to Respond When Things Fall Apart by Karen McClintock

- Bearing the Unbearable: Trauma, Gospel, and Pastoral Care by Deborah van Deusen Hunsinger

- CXMH ep. 124 - Nervous Systems, Bottom-Up Safety, & Learning from Each Other (feat. Nia Baker)

- CXMH ep. 89 - Trying Softer, Self Compassion, & Moving from Survival to Joy (feat. Aundi Kolber)

- CXMH ep. 32 - Trauma, Attachment, & Creating Safety (feat. Aundi Kolber)

Connect with Dr. Marschall on her website, on Facebook, on Twitter, or buy her books on Amazon. Find her upcoming trainings through PESI.

Quotes:

- “[Trauma] is less about an event and more about what happens after.” (tweet)

- “The same event for two different people can have a completely different impact.” (tweet)

- “Mental health is a very physical experience.” (tweet)

- “Behavior is to get our needs met.” (tweet)

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Niro Feliciano is a psychotherapist, podcast host, national media commentator, and expert on anxiety, brain science, and spirituality. She holds a master’s degree in social work from Columbia University and is a columnist for PsychologyToday. A first-generation Sri Lankan American, she lives with her family in Fairfield County, Connecticut. She’s the author of This Book Won’t Make You Happy: Eight Keys to Finding True Contentment.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- CXMH ep. 139 - Calling, Adulting, and the Changing World of Work (feat. Dr. Michaela O'Donnell)

- CXMH ep. 115 - Gratitude & Mental Health

- The Happiness Lab with Dr. Laurie Santos

- CXMH ep. 107 - Why Small Changes Are the Key to Changing Your Brain (feat. Dr. Alex Korb)

Connect with Niro on her website, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or YouTube. Listen to All Things Life with Niro Feliciano. Buy This Book Won't Make You Happy: Eight Keys to Finding True Contentment on Amazon.

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

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Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- Poema S6 034 | Holly Oxhandler on Mental Health & Church During & Beyond The Pandemic

- Poema S7 039 | Living with ADHD: Robert Vore APC, NCC, CCATP

- CXMH ep. 17 - Grief & Loss (feat. John Pavlovitz & Dr. Elizabeth Horn)

- CXMH ep. 42 - Everyday Grief & Learning to Feel Feelings (feat. Aundi Kolber)

- CXMH ep. 133 - The Power of Lament (feat. Abby Norman)

Connect with James on his website, on Facebook, on Twitter, or on Instagram. Listen to Poema Podcast and The Kryptonian, The Princess, & The Avenger.

Quotes:

- “Grief never leaves you.” (tweet)

- “Culturally, we do not do grief well.” (tweet)

- “Grief is circular, I have found.” (tweet)

- “When doing grief work, you’re not aiming for a destination. You’re just aiming to heal and to grow.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Connect with Emmy on her website, on Facebook, on Twitter, or on Instagram. Listen to Cafeteria Christian.

Buy her books: All Who Are Weary: Easing the Burden on the Walk with Mental Illness and One Coin Found: How God's Love Stretches to the Margins.

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This week we’re joined by Brandon Johnson, public health expert and creator of The Black Mental Wellness Lounge. We talk about why conversations specific to black mental health matter (including suicide prevention), how a public health lens helps, and the role that the black church can play. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about famous people from their hometowns.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- the Instagram Live that Robert & Holly did recently

- order Holly’s book now: The Soul of The Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It In Others

- The Black Mental Wellness Lounge on YouTube

- the video we mention: “Mental Health and The Black Church Roundtable”

- CXMH ep. 25 - Race, Faith, & Mental Health (feat. Dr. Sherry Molock & Dr. Amber Thornton)

Connect with Brandon on Twitter, or check out The Black Mental Wellness Lounge on YouTube. Connect with The Black Mental Wellness Lounge on Facebook or on Instagram.

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Original Show Notes:

This week is a special episode of CXMH! Robert interviews our very own Dr. Holly Oxhandler about the ideas in her upcoming book, The Soul of The Helper. Holly teaches us about her Namaste Theory, how we can see the sacred within ourselves, and why that’s critical for anyone that is serving others in some capacity.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- If you preoder Holly’s book, get your free giveaways here!

- CXMH ep. 31 - Does It Matter If Your Therapist Is Christian? (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler)

- the CXMH episode where Holly joins as co-host: Introducing Dr. Holly Oxhandler!

- CXMH ep. 58 - Religious Coping Skills: Good, Bad, or Both? (feat. Dr. Kenneth Pargament)

- CXMH ep. 61 - How to Set Goals & Make Changes (feat. Susette Magana & Brandon Cook from The Desire Line)

- learn more about the Transtheoretical Model of Change (Stages of Change)

- Robert briefly mentions Peter Scazzero’s book Emotionally Healthy Spirituality

- CXMH ep. 95 - 3 Shapes of Pain & What Divine Love Has to Say (feat. Seth Haines)

- CXMH ep. 96 - Waking Up, How We Numb Our Pain, & Embodying Our Faith (feat. Seth Haines)

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

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Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

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- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

- give a one-time gift using PayPal

- Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

- Do your Amazon shopping through this link

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- preorder Kevin’s upcoming book, Grace Can Lead Us Home: A Christian Call to End Homelessness

- Preorder Holly’s book now: The Soul of The Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It In Others

- The 2020 Annual Homeless Assessment Report (AHAR) to Congress that Robert references

- Kevin’s article ‘What Can We Do About Homelessness and Mental Illness?’ where he discussed the Housing First model

Connect with Kevin on his website, on Facebook, or on Twitter. Preorder Grace Can Lead Us Home: A Christian Call to End Homelessness on Amazon. Listen to Kevin on The Kryptonian, The Princess, & The Avenger wherever you get podcasts.

Quotes:

- “It’s cheaper to give someone an apartment than to allow them to live on the streets.” (tweet)

- “We spend so much money to keep people homeless.” (tweet)

- “What’s ideological is also theological.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

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It’s Valentine’s week, and one important conversation to have is about singleness. What messages do people get about being single? Are there positives and negatives? How can the church do a better job at creating space for single people to exist and to lead? We’re joined by Dr. Bella DePaulo and Holly Stallcup to talk about it.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- Bella’s TedTalk ‘What No one Ever Told You About People Who Are Single’

- Bella has tons of books on Amazon, man of which are on singleness

- Holly mentions Jenna DeWitt and Gina Dalfonzo (author of One by One: Welcome the Singles in Your Church)

Connect with Dr. Bella DePaulo on her website, Twitter, Facebook, read her blogs ‘Living Single on Psychology Today and ‘Single at Heart’ on Psych Central, or buy any of her books on Amazon.

Connect with Holly Stallcup on Twitter or learn more about Now She Rises.

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

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- Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- CXMH ep. 63 - Uncluttering Our Spaces, Our Schedules, & Our Lives (feat. Courtney Ellis)

- the GoodReads giveaway for Holly’s book!

- The Honest Truth About Dishonesty: How We Lie to Everyone--Especially Ourselves by Dan Ariely

- Preorder Holly’s book now: The Soul of The Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It In Others

Connect with Courtney on her website, on Twitter, on Facebook, or on Instagram. Buy Happy Now: Let Playfulness Lift Your Load and Renew Your Spirit on Amazon.

Quotes:

- “One of the best tools we have to find our way back into happiness is the tool of play.” (tweet)

- “Play and playfulness are not luxury items, they’re essentials to healthy life and healthy faith and healthy relationships.” (tweet)

- “It is the folks in our midst that have suffering the most that have the most to teach us about joy.” (tweet)

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Connect with Dr. Barr on her website, on Twitter, or on Facebook. Buy The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth on Amazon. 

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- Preorder Holly’s book, The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others!

- Matthew’s books that we mention:

- - I Am God’s Dream (releasing March 2022)

- - What Is God Like? (with Rachel Held Evans)

- - When God Made You

- - When God Made Light

- - When I Pray For You

- - Our Great Big American God: A Short History of Our Ever-Growing Deity (one of MPT’s adult non-fiction books)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- CXMH ep. 34 - Self-Image, Parenting, & Learning to Love Ourselves As We Are (feat. Hillary McBride)

- Hillary’s other books: Mothers, Daughters, and Body Image: Learning to Love Ourselves as We Are and Embodiment and Eating Disorders: Theory, Research, Prevention and Treatment

- Preorder Holly’s book, The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others!

Connect with Hillary on her website, on Twitter, or on Instagram. Listen to her podcast ‘Other People’s Problems.’ Buy The Wisdom of Your Body: Finding Healing, Wholeness, and Connection Through Embodied Living on Amazon.

Quotes:

- “If we think about ‘body image,’ the construct still keeps us in the territory of image: it is still about how we appear.” (tweet)

- “Embodiment is our birthright, it is how we are born. It is something that is the most true about us.” (tweet)

- “The way we’ve constructed our society and our healing methods are very disembodied. The way we understand ourselves is disembodied. But the body has not abandoned us as humanity.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- Preorder Holly’s book The Soul of the Helper here!

- we talk about the first half of Season 6, including these episodes:

- ep. 134 - Prayers & Liturgies for Parents (feat. Kayla Craig)

- ep. 135 - The Importance of Connecting Faith & Mental Health in This Moment

- ep. 136 - Motherhood & Contemplative Spirituality (feat. Shannon Evans)

- ep. 137 - Love, Justice, & Memento Mori (feat. Marlena Graves)

- ep. 138 - Autism, Faith, & the Gifts of Neurodiversity (feat. Daniel Bowman Jr.)

- ep. 139 - Calling, Adulting, and the Changing World of Work (feat. Dr. Michaela O'Donnell)

- ep. 140 - Understanding Suicidal Thoughts (feat. Dr. Kathryn Gordon)

- ep. 141 - Navigating Suicidal Thoughts (feat. Dr. Kathryn Gordon)

- ep. 142 - People Living With Dementia and Their Caregivers (feat. Dr. Brianna Garrison & Dr. Dennis Myers)

- ep. 143 - Seeing the Sacred in Ourselves & Each Other (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

In part 1 of a 2 part conversation with Dr. Kathryn Gordon, she tells us how we can understand suicidal thoughts, how contexts & environments might play a role, and more. Dr. Gordon is the author of The Suicidal Thoughts Workbook.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- preorder Holly’s book now!

- the research Robert mentions in the intro about sports teams and rates of suicidal ideation

- Dr. Thomas Joiner’s book Why People Die By Suicide

- learn more about Klonsky & May’s ‘3 Step Theory of Suicide’ here.

- CXMH ep. 37 - Diagnosing Darth Vader (feat. Dr. Katie Gordon & Brandon Saxton)

- CXMH ep. Bonus! Suicide Prevention Resources

- CXMH ep. 12 - Non-Suicidal Self-Injury (feat. Dr. Janis Whitlock)

- CXMH ep. 15 - Suicide Prevention (feat. Dr. Jonathan Singer & Dr. Sherry Molock)

- CXMH ep. 24 - Speaking of Suicide (feat. Dr. Stacey Freedenthal)

- CXMH ep. 130 - I Love Jesus, but I Want to Die (feat. Sarah J. Robinson)

Connect with Dr. Gordon on her website, on Twitter, or on Instagram. Buy The Suicidal Thoughts Workbook: CBT Skills to Reduce Emotional Pain, Increase Hope, and Prevent Suicide on Amazon.

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Connect with Dr. O’Donnell on Instagram. Connect with the De Pree Center on their website, on Facebook, on Twitter, or on Instagram. Buy Make Work Matter: Your Guide to Meaningful Work in a Changing World on Amazon.

Quotes:

- “We can’t necessarily predict what the world’s gonna look like in 5 years, only that it’s gonna be pretty different than it is right now.” (tweet)

- “We have, in American society, deemed work as a place we’re going to get primary identity and significance.” (tweet)

- “We treat work like our vehicle for meaning.” (tweet)

- “Wanting work to matter is, in many ways, a privilege conversation.” (tweet)

- “If work is a place for our significance, then if we do more of it that should be more significant.” (tweet)

- “One thing that’s least helpful is this idea that younger people are entitled and/or just aren’t putting in the time. Actually, we’re in a whole different world.” (tweet)

- “People change jobs between 11 and 17 times now.” (tweet)

- “Wherever there is challenge there is also opportunity.” (tweet)

- “Capitalism was never meant to be our vehicle for calling.” (tweet)

- “The very basis for doing the meaningful work that we crave can always benefit from starting with empathy.” (tweet)

- “Inner work sets the stage for any external work that we would do in the world.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- In the intro, Holly mentions the Gil Taylor Behavioral Health Symposium on Oct. 8th.

- Our talks from last year’s Church Mental Health Summit:

- - ep. 113 - Self-Care for Helpers

- - ep. 114 - Having Conversation About Mental Health That Help

- Preorder Holly’s book! The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others

- get Holly’s 1 week Self-Care for Helpers Guide here

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

- order Hiding in the Pews: Shining Light on Mental Illness in the Church by Steve Austin

- the GoFundMe for Steve’s family

- Preorder Holly’s book! The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma by Bessel van der Kolk, M.D.- When It Is Darkest : Why People Die by Suicide and What We Can Do to Prevent It by Rory O’Connor- CXMH ep. 87 - Getting the Rest You Actually Need (feat. Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith)- Sacred Rest: Recover Your Life, Renew Your Energy, Restore Your Sanity by Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith- The Wisdom of Your Body: Finding Healing, Wholeness, and Connection Through Embodied Living by Hillary McBride, PhD- The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth by Beth Allison Barr- Hiding in the Pews: Shining Light on Mental Illness in the Church by Steve Austin- The Deeper Journey: The Spirituality of Discovering Your True Self by M. Robert Mulholland Jr.- On the Spectrum: Autism, Faith, and the Gifts of Neurodiversity by Daniel Bowman Jr.- When Thoughts and Prayers Aren't Enough: A Shooting Survivor's Journey into the Realities of Gun Violence by Taylor Schumann- The Suicidal Thoughts Workbook: CBT Skills to Reduce Emotional Pain, Increase Hope, and Prevent Suicide by Kathryn Hope Gordon, PhD- What Is God Like? by Rachel Held Evans and Matthew Paul Turner- When God Made You by Matthew Paul Turner

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- CXMH ep. 131 - Finding Joy Amidst Tragedy (feat. Dr. Angela Gorrell)

Connect with Abby on her website, Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram. Buy You Can Talk to God Like That: The Surprising Power of Lament to Save Your Faith on Amazon.

Quotes:- “Lament is the other side of the praise & worship coin.” (tweet)- “All the Old Testament prophets are public nuisances.” (tweet)- “Christians should be the best at being wrong.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- CXMH 91 - Spiritual Bypassing (feat. Dr. Jesse Fox)- CXMH 103 - How We Move Through Suffering (feat. Dr. Daryl Van Tongeren & Sara Showalter Van Tongeren)

Connect with Dr. Currier using his faculty page or email him at jcurrier@southalabama.edu. Buy Joe’s book on Amazon: Addressing Moral Injury in Clinical Practice or Trauma, Meaning, and Spirituality: Translating Research into Clinical Practice.

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This week we’re joined by Rev. Dr. Angela Gorrell to talk about her job studying joy, a season of unexpected losses, and what she learned when those two collided. Angela’s new book is The Gravity of Joy: A Story of Being Lost and Found.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- CXMH ep. 84 - Technology, Media, & Living Our Theology (feat. Dr. Angela Gorrell)

Connect with Angela on her website, Instagram, or Twitter. Buy The Gravity of Joy: A Story of Being Lost and Found on Amazon.

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Find a list of suicide/crisis hotlines here.Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Sarah’s original blog post: “I love Jesus but I want to die: what you need to know about suicide”- CXMH ep. 15 - Suicide Prevention (feat. Dr. Jonathan Singer & Dr. Sherry Molock)- CXMH ep. 12 - Non-Suicidal Self-Injury (feat. Dr. Janis Whitlock)- CXMH ep. 24 - Speaking of Suicide (feat. Dr. Stacey Freedenthal)- Free PDF: The Role of Faith Communities in Suicide Prevention: A Guidebook for Faith Leaders by Timothy Doty & Sally Spencer-Thomas- Free PDF: Suicide Prevention Competencies for Faith Leaders: Supporting Life Before, During and After a Suicidal Crisis by the National Action Alliance for Suicide Prevention- Myths About Suicide by Thomas Joiner- Why People Die By Suicide by Thomas Joiner- Helping the Suicidal Person: Tips and Techniques for Professionals by Stacey Freedenthal

Connect with Sarah on her website, Twitter, Instagram, or Facebook.Preorder I Love Jesus, But I Want to Die: Finding Hope in the Darkness of Depression on Amazon.

Quotes:- “You’re supposed to tell this story of redemption, and I felt like my story was going the other way.” (tweet)- “You are worth everything it takes to get better.” (tweet)- “The darkness may always be there, but God will always be there in the darkness.” (tweet)- “When I have had people of faith respond really well, I think they’ve responded without feeling like they need to have answers.” (tweet)- “You don’t have to understand to make your loved one feel safe and cared for.” (tweet)- “They call therapy ‘doing the work’ because it is work.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- the Johari Window that Lisa talks about

Connect with Lisa on her website, Twitter, Instagram, or Facebook. Buy The Wild Land Within: Cultivating Wholeness through Spiritual Practice on Amazon.Connect with Spark My Muse on Twitter, Facebook, or listen where you listen to podcasts. Support Lisa & Spark My Muse on Patreon.

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Loneliness: Human Nature and the Need for Social Connection by John T. Cacioppo & William Patrick- CXMH ep. 125 - One Year of COVID

Connect with Charlotte on her website, on Twitter, or on Instagram. Buy The Great Belonging: How Loneliness Leads Us to Each Other on Amazon.

Quotes:- “Loneliness gives us an opportunity to think about the ways we belong.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- CXMH ep. 81 - Closing the Chasm Between Spirituality & Treatment (feat. Dr. David Rosmarin)

Learn more about Dr. Rosmarin’s work here.Buy The Connections Paradigm: Ancient Jewish Wisdom for Modern Mental Health on Amazon.

Quotes:- “Disconnection begets further disconnection.” (tweet)- “You have to have a relationship with yourself. This is fundamental.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- the article that’s the basis for this conversation: 5 Ideas for Working as Someone with Adult ADHD- More Attention, Less Deficit: Success Strategies for Adults with ADHD by Ari Tuckman- CXMH ep. 122 - How Writing Can Shape Your Past, Present, & Future (feat. Allison Fallon)- Fuel Your Brain, Not Your Anxiety: Stop the Cycle of Worry, Fatigue, and Sugar Cravings with Simple Protein-Rich Foods by Kristen Allott and Natasha Duarte- The Accidental Creative podcast episode: Leadership Is Language (with L. David Marquet)- CXMH ep. 48 - How Does Nutrition Impact Our Mental Health? (feat. Dr. Leslie Korn)- Robert’s Spotify playlist: Instrumentals for Focus/Creative Time

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Jennifer King’s article A Year Later, The Body Remembers- Adults Reporting Symptoms of Anxiety or Depressive Disorder During COVID-19 Pandemic- Article: Ring Lights And Late Nights: How The Remote Revolution Has Changed The Workforce- CXMH ep. 124 - Nervous Systems, Bottom-Up Safety, & Learning from Each Other (feat. Nia Baker)- CXMH ep. 97 - Navigating Uncertainty During the COVID-19 Crisis (feat. Dr. Inna Khazan)- CXMH ep. 100 - Balancing Working from Home with Intentional Family Time (feat. Dr. Karen Melton & Dr. Sara Perry)- CXMH ep. 103 - How We Move Through Suffering (feat. Dr. Daryl Van Tongeren & Sara Showalter Van Tongeren)- CXMH ep. 116 - Loving Your Neighbor During a Pandemic (feat. Dr. Emily Smith)- CXMH ep. 107 - Why Small Changes Are the Key to Changing Your Brain (feat. Dr. Alex Korb)- CXMH ep. Checking In: How Are We Doing?- CXMH ep. 95 - 3 Shapes of Pain & What Divine Love Has to Say (feat. Seth Haines)- CXMH ep. 96 - Waking Up, How We Numb Our Pain, & Embodying Our Faith (feat. Seth Haines)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Radically Open DBT- How God Changes Your Brain: Breakthrough Findings from a Leading Neuroscientist by Andrew Newberg- My Grandmother's Hands: Racialized Trauma and the Pathway to Mending Our Hearts and Bodies by Resmaa Menakem- the Spiritual First Aid Summit

Connect with Nia on Instagram or see her artwork on her website.

Quotes:- “An emotional trauma is how the nervous system is impacted through words & responses related to feeling safe.”- “Neuroscience doesn’t make it possible for people to be adaptive. People have always been adaptive.”

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources: - CXMH ep. 122 - How Writing Can Shape Your Past, Present, & Future (feat. Allison Fallon) - CXMH ep.  90 - Small Beginnings, Other People's Stories, & Being Made to Make (feat. Morgan Harper Nichols)

Connect with Tanner on his website, Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram. Listen to his work on Spotify, Apple Music, or watch it on YouTube. Buy his books on Amazon.

Quotes: - “Don’t call yourself an ‘aspiring writer.’ If you’re putting words down on a piece of paper…you are a writer.” (tweet) - “When I write something hopeful that comes out of heartbreak, I don’t want to ignore the heartbreak.” (tweet) - “Hope always has the outstretched hand.” (tweet) - “It’s really hard to deal with the things inside of us when we just keep them there.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- ep. 120 - Lies We Face (& Truth We Need) Along The Journey (feat. Hannah Brencher)- the episode of The Faith & Mental Wellness Podcast that Holly was on

Connect with Allison on her website, Twitter, or Instagram. Connect with Find Your Voice on it’s website, Facebook, or Instagram. Buy The Power of Writing It Down on Amazon.

Quotes:- “I believe deep down in my soul that writing has the power to create positive change in your life.” (tweet)- “If you change behavior from the frontal cortex, you’re gonna feel like you’re white-knuckling it, like you have to exercise all this discipline, and it will only work for a certain period of time.” (tweet)- “Writing is communication. Writing is self-discovery. Writing is a way to capture memories from your life. Writing can be a means of processing, it can be meditation, it can be spirituality, it can be prayer.” (tweet)- “If you think that your story is the one story that nobody cares about hearing…I want you to really think about what that means.” (tweet)- “The minute you bring an audience into [writing] is the minute you cut yourself off from your deepest thoughts & feelings about a subject.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- The 6 Needs of Every Child: Empowering Parents and Kids through the Science of Connection by Amy Elizabeth Olrick and Jeffrey Olrick- episode 32 - Trauma, Attachment, & Creating Safety (feat. Aundi Kolber)- Krispin mentions the work of Dr. Todd Hall- Anatomy of the Soul: Surprising Connections between Neuroscience and Spiritual Practices That Can Transform Your Life and Relationships by Curt Thompson- episode 91 - Spiritual Bypassing (feat. Dr. Jesse Fox)- episode 58 - Religious Coping Skills: Good, Bad, or Both? (feat. Dr. Kenneth Pargament)

Connect with Krispin on his website, Twitter, or Instagram. Listen to his podcasts Attached to the Invisible or The Prophetic Imagination Station.

Quotes:- “We have this drive for connection. There are different strategies that we use to get the connection that we need, to get the closeness that we need.” (tweet)- “What I’ve found has been lost in a lot of faith traditions is that God delights in us.” (tweet)- “Emotions help bring other people close.” (tweet)- “God meets us wherever we are emotionally, you see that throughout Scripture.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources: - The War of Art: Break Through the Blocks and Win Your Inner Creative Battles by Steven Pressfield - Hannah’s past episodes on CXMH - the Forest app Hannah mentions

Connect with Hannah on her website, Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram. Buy Fighting Forward: Your Nitty-Gritty Guide to Beating the Lies That Hold You Back on Amazon.

Quotes: - “The goal is not perfection, the goal is consistency. Those are two very different things.” (tweet) - “When you take time to stoke the fire in your own life, that’s only going to make you a better version of yourself for someone else.” (tweet) - “Some of the most valuable things you’re going to learn in your life are going to be because of failure. Don’t spend your life tiptoeing around the very thing that might teach you or transform you.” (tweet) - “The only way to combat my envy was to become a really good cheerleader for other people.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Links:- the video about the HOPE Center- the HOPE Center's website- Amanda Gorman's speech at the 2021 Inaguration- CXMH ep. 58 - Religious Coping Skills: Good, Bad, or Both? (feat. Dr. Kenneth Pargament)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

See full show notes here.

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Things we mention/other resources:- Recast - Grieving During the Holidays (feat. Lanta Carroll)- ep. 115 - Gratitude & Mental Health

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Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- see the original show notes below for links related to the conversation with Lanta- Holly mentions the work of epidemiologist Dr. Emily Smith. Here's a recent conversation with her: "Church and COVID"- find Holly's recent blog posts on burnout, self-care, and more here.

---------Original Show Notes---------

It’s the holiday season, which can be both joyful & hard. We’re joined by Lanta Carroll, a counselor & pastor, to talk about grieving during this season. We talk about why it’s so complicated, some ideas for your own grief, and thoughts on how to support others personally or within a faith community.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- CXMH episode 17 - Grief & Loss (feat. John Pavlovitz & Dr. Elizabeth Horn)- Inheritance of Hope

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Things we mention/other resources:- the article Robert references: 'How Gratitude Changes You and Your Brain'- Gratitude Works!: A 21-Day Program for Creating Emotional Prosperity by Robert Emmons- Thanks!: How the New Science of Gratitude Can Make You Happier by Robert Emmons- CXMH ep. 91 - Spiritual Bypassing (feat. Dr. Jesse Fox)- CXMH ep. 107 - Why Small Changes Are the Key to Changing Your Brain (feat. Dr. Alex Korb)- CXMH ep. 93 - Using the Enneagram & Neuroscience for Practical Growth (feat. Dr. Jerome Lubbe)- CXMH ep. 55 - CBT for Christians (feat. Dr. Michelle Pearce)

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Things we mention/other resources:- Last week's episode: 113 - Self-Care for Helpers- CXMH episode 112 - Staying Emotionally Healthy During Election Season- If you want to watch the video of Robert's talk (or see the other ~60 talks), you can still register for the all-access pass for the Church Mental Health Summit here.- get Holly's newsletter here.- the Baylor article Holly mentions: Baylor Expert: Don’t Lose Focus on Spiritual and Mental Well-being

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Things we mention/other resources:- If you want to watch the video of Holly's talk (or see the other ~60 talks), you can still register for the all-access pass for the Church Mental Health Summit here.- get Holly's Self Care for Helpers emails free by signing up here.

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Things we mention/other resources:- CXMH ep. 26 - Seasonal Affective Disorder & Perfectly Hidden Depression (feat. Dr. Margaret Rutherford)- CXMH ep. 52 - Online Advocacy, Self-Care, & Beauty (feat. Dr. Meredith Gould)- CXMH ep. 57 - Why We Need Better Sleep (& How to Get It) (feat. Dr. Michael Scullin)- Holly's Self-Care for Helpers guide

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Things we mention/other resources:- the Church Mental Health Summit we talk about in the intro- CXMH ep. 55 - CBT for Christians (feat. Dr. Michelle Pearce)- CXMH ep. 103 - How We Move Through Suffering (feat. Dr. Daryl Van Tongeren & Sara Showalter Van Tongeren)- CXMH ep. 91 - Spiritual Bypassing (feat. Dr. Jesse Fox)

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Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- CASEL: The Collaborative for Academic, Social, and Emotional Learning- the Church Mental Health Summit we talk about in the intro

Connect with Janine on her website, at CopingSkillsforKids.com, on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or Pinterest. Buy Janine's books on Amazon or subscribe to the Calm and Connected Podcast.

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Things we mention/other resources:- the Church Mental Health Summit we talk about in the intro- the COVID-19 toolbox on StressedTeens.com- the Coalition of Schools Educating Mindfully- CXMH ep. 70 - Teens, Anxiety, & Self-Esteem (feat. Lisa Schab)- Under Pressure: Confronting the Epidemic of Stress and Anxiety in Girls by Dr. Lisa Damour- other books Robert recommends for working with teens/adolescents

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention/other resources:

- Amber first came on CXMH in episode 25 - Race, Faith, & Mental Health (feat. Dr. Sherry Molock & Dr. Amber Thornton)

- we talk about work/life/family balance in episode 100 - Balancing Working from Home with Intentional Family Time (feat. Dr. Karen Melton & Dr. Sara Perry)

- Amber's holistic approach reminds us of episode 87 - Getting the Rest You Actually Need (feat. Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith)

Connect with Dr. Amber Thornton on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram. Find out more about Balanced Working Mama (including the podcast) on the website or on Instagram.

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Full show notes available here.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- episode 19 - "There are parts of me that will never be completely healed." (feat. Kay Warren)

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(Note from Robert: I formally apologize for how much I say ‘like’ in this episode. If it’s any consolation, it probably annoyed me more while I was editing than it will annoy you while listening.)

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- here’s a picture of both Fowler and Peck’s stages of faith with descriptions- Benefit of the Doubt: Breaking the Idol of Certainty by Greg Boyd- Falling Upward: A Spirituality for the Two Halves of Life by Richard Rohr- Braving the Wilderness: The Quest for True Belonging and the Courage to Stand Alone by Brené Brown- we mention Susan Case Designs. Find out more on her website or on Instagram.

Quotes:- “The goal is to be a river: there’s things flowing in and flowing out.” (tweet)- “What people need is someone to say ‘I acknowledge this sucks & is painful and I’m going to sit here with you in that.” (tweet)- “The opposite of faith isn’t doubt, it’s certainty.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- After we stopped recording, Danielle recommended books by Annie Fox to Holly for proactively talking to her kids about bullying- Solution Team is a program offered by NoBully- StopBullying.gov- If you want to learn more about the link between bullying and suicide that we touch on briefly, here’s some helpful info from the CDC

Connect with Danielle on Twitter, on Facebook, visit her website to learn more about The Empowerment Space, or buy The Empowered Child on Amazon. You can also get more information by calling 818-267-4282 or by emailing dmatthew@empowerment.space.

Quotes:- “Bullying is when someone has power over someone else repeatedly.”- “It’s really important to give the child or adolescent an opportunity to tell you how they’re feeling.”- “Give them their voice back as much as possible.”- “Give the bully a positive role.”- “You don’t have to feel hopeless about bullying. There is hope out there.”

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Al-Anon- the stages of change- Celebrate Recovery- episode 19 - "There are parts of me that will never be completely healed." (feat. Kay Warren)- The National Association for Christian Recovery- Breathing Under Water: Spirituality and the Twelve Steps by Richard Rohr- the Center for Action and Contemplation- episodes about the enneagram

Connect with Storey on Twitter or connect with Reclaim Recovery Ministry on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, or on Harris Creek’s website.

Quotes:- “Addiction takes place in all kinds of areas of our life.” (tweet)

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Tips we mention, along with accompanying links to things we mention:

1. Eat + sleep- episode 48 - How Does Nutrition Impact Our Mental Health? (feat. Dr. Leslie Korn)- episode 57 - Why We Need Better Sleep (& How to Get It) (feat. Dr. Michael Scullin)

2. Change your socks

3. Count your spoons- episode 63 - Uncluttering Our Spaces, Our Schedules, & Our Lives (feat. Courtney Ellis)- The spoons metaphor Robert mentions is found in Furiously Happy: A Funny Book About Horrible Things by Jenny Lawson (Jenny credits the idea to Christine Miserandino)

4. Map your route

5. Spend time creating- article: Stress-related hormone cortisol lowers significantly after just 45 minutes of art creation- article: This Type of Date Night Activity Could Make You Feel Closer to Your Partner

6. Give things away- Leading on Empty: Refilling Your Tank and Renewing Your Passion by Wayne Cordeiro

7. Pause- Insight Timer (search for CXMH to join our group!)

8. Pay attention to your warning lights- episode 21 - Emotions Aren't Evil (feat. Marc Alan Schelske)- episode 62 - Social Anxiety, Shyness vs. Confidence, & How to Make Friends (feat. Dr. Ellen Hendriksen)

9. Let it matter- Let It Matter by Johnnyswim- episode 42 - Everyday Grief & Learning to Feel Feelings (feat. Aundi Kolber)

10. Be honest & bold

11. Learn about yourself

12. Go to counseling. - (go to counseling) greeting cards- various directories to find local counselors are listed on Robert’s resource page

13. Spiritual practices/rhythms

    1. Sabbath, centering prayer, journaling, gratitude

    2. Silence + solitude + stillness- episode 56 - Centering Prayer, Solitude, Stillness, & Mindful Silence (feat. Phileena Heuertz)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Bella’s TedTalk ‘What No one Ever Told You About People Who Are Single’- Bella has tons of books on Amazon, man of which are on singleness- Holly mentions Jenna DeWitt and Gina Dalfonzo (author of One by One: Welcome the Singles in Your Church)

Connect with Dr. Bella DePaulo on her website, Twitter, Facebook, read her blogs ‘Living Single on Psychology Today and ‘Single at Heart’ on Psych Central, or buy any of her books on Amazon.

Connect with Holly Stallcup on Twitter or learn more about Now She Rises.

Quotes:- “This is an option. If you think [singleness] suits you, it’s a good valuable way to live.” (tweet)- “Being single is not a monolith.” (tweet)- “Church culture at large makes the assumption that singleness is a stepping stone and that if we see it any more than that, it devalues marriage.” (tweet)- “If single life is valued, than the people who want to marry will be going that direction from a place of strength [instead of] running away from single life.” (tweet)- “Single people across religions often feel like they don’t have a place in their churches. They feel like they aren’t valued.” (tweet)- “A lot of this is just becoming aware of the cultural norms that we’ve embraced.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- decision fatigue- Irresistible: The Rise of Addictive Technology and the Business of Keeping Us Hooked by Adam Alter- The Tech-Wise Family: Everyday Steps for Putting Technology in Its Proper Place by Andy Crouch- The spoons metaphor Robert mentions is found in Furiously Happy: A Funny Book About Horrible Things by Jenny Lawson (Jenny credits the idea to Christine Miserandino)- Also, Robert wrote about that spoons idea a few years ago here, which includes some of Jenny’s words about it.

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Quotes:- “It turned out that I had to let go of a lot of things before God could give me more.” (tweet)

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Perceived deficits:1. my anxiety2. my appearance3. my social skills4. my character or personality

Tips for fighting social anxiety:- give yourself some structure- put behavior before confidence- notice safety behaviors- turn your attention inside out

Tips for making friends:1. you need repetition2. share about yourself3. show them that you like them

Connect with Dr. Hendriksen on her website, Twitter, listen to The Savvy Psychologist, or buy How To Be Yourself on Amazon.

Quotes:- “99% of people can relate to socially awkward moments.” (tweet)- “Extroverts can also be socially anxious.” (tweet)- “Social Anxiety is fundamentally about the reveal: the perception that something is wrong with us & unless we work really hard to hide it, it will be revealed.” (tweet)- “Anxiety is driven by uncertainty.” (tweet)- “Anxiety tells us two lies: (1) the worst case scenario is a foregone conclusion. (2) we can’t handle it.” (tweet)- “If we wait to feel confident, we’re probably not gonna do the thing we’re afraid of. If we slowly do the thing, then the confidence catches up.” (tweet)- “A good therapist is like a good bra: the job is both to push and support. The principles apply to friends too.” (tweet)- “We don’t have to put on some kind of false front or persona to go out into the world. We are enough just as we are.” (tweet)- “It takes 6-8 conversations before someone considers us a friend.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

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Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- PowerSheets by Lara Casey- the Transtheoretical Model of Change- Shame episode of DL (6)- SMART goals: specific, measurable, achievable, relevant, timed.- Erin Condren planners- Emily Ley’s Simplified planners- eustress vs. distress

Listen to The Desire Line podcast or connect with the show on Twitter. Connect with Susette on her website, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest. Connect with Brandon on his website, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Quotes:- “You can’t just be moving away from something, you have to be moving toward something for it to be sustainable.” (tweet)- “When I’m successful, it’s because I have a sustained vision.” (tweet)- “Our desire is cultivated by practices, our practices become habits, and habits ultimately become our character.” (tweet)- “Starting small and doable is way better than trying to go for transformation in a single bound.” (tweet)- “If you’re operating out of shame, that resolution’s probably gonna wear out.” (tweet)- “What’s the smallest step I can take?” (tweet)- “It’s important to find that eustress that is helpful.” (tweet)- “Extend grace to yourself.” (tweet)- “Pay attention to the trend lines, not the headlines.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- All the previous episodes we mention in this episode can be found here.- The Teenage Brain: A Neuroscientist's Survival Guide to Raising Adolescents and Young Adults by Frances E Jensen and Amy Ellis Nutt- Dare to Lead: Brave Work. Tough Conversations. Whole Hearts. by Brené Brown- Making All Things New: An Invitation to the Spiritual Life by Henri Nouwen- Everything Belongs: The Gift of Contemplative Prayer by Richard Rohr- Chasing Slow: Courage to Journey Off the Beaten Path by Erin Loechner- Present Over Perfect: Leaving Behind Frantic for a Simpler, More Soulful Way of Living by Shauna Niequist- Pilgrimage of a Soul: Contemplative Spirituality for the Active Life by Phileena Heuertz

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots (although Robert added the sleigh bells).

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Holly’s research is talked about in episode 31 - Does It Matter If Your Therapist Is Christian?- Dr. Michelle Pearce (who created the SCT-MH training with Dr. Pargament) is the guest on episode 55 - CBT for Christians.- the Spiritual Competency in Mental Health training program developed by Ken & Michelle- Dr. Pargament’s books: Spiritually Integrated Psychotherapy: Understanding and Addressing the Sacred and The Psychology of Religion and Coping: Theory, Research, Practice.- the APA Handbook of Psychology, Religion, and Spirituality- In the intro, we mentioned becoming a Patreon supporter. Do that here, or see a longer list of ways to support CXMH here.

Connect with Dr. Pargament by emailing him at kpargam@bgsu.edu or buy his books on Amazon. See a more extensive biography and list of his academic articles on his Bowling Green webpage.

Quotes:- “For many people, spirituality and religion are powerful resources that can be real adjuncts to the work that we do in mental health.” (tweet)- “Holy holy holy, the whole earth is holy.” (tweet)- “Pain and suffering don’t have the last word from a religious point of view.” (tweet)- “Without struggles in life, we wouldn’t be able to move forward.” (tweet)- “Religion and spirituality compliment psychology by focusing on ‘how do you come to terms with human limitations?’” (tweet)- “If we don’t pay attention to the spiritual dimension of who we are, then our work will be incomplete.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- CXMH episode 48 - How Does Nutrition Impact Our Mental Health? (feat. Dr. Leslie Korn)- CXMH episode 49 - College Students & Creating Supportive Communities (feat. Dr. Gary Glass)- The book Robert mentions during the conversation is The Teenage Brain: A Neuroscientist's Survival Guide to Raising Adolescents and Young Adults by Frances E Jensen and Amy Ellis Nutt- the American Academy of Sleep Medicine- the National Sleep Foundation

Connect with Dr. Scullin using his email (Michael_Scullin@baylor.edu) or visit Baylor’s Sleep Neuroscience & Cognition Laboratory.

Quotes:- “Sleep relates to our cognitive, physical, and mental health on every level.” (tweet)- “Sleep exists to specifically restore the brain.” (tweet)

Dr. Scullin’s 10 Tips to Improve Sleep:1. Avoid electronics near bedtime.2. Avoid caffeine and other stimulants at least six hours before bedtime.3. Minimize saturated fats and maximize fiber at dinner.4. Only use the bed for sleep rather than for studying or entertainment.5. If you cannot fall asleep in 10 minutes then, get up and leave the room. Only try again when you feel sleepy.6. Avoid long daytime naps.7. Go to bed and wake up at the same time every day, even on weekends.8. If you are ruminating at bedtime, then write out your to-do list or worries.9. Engage in aerobic exercise in the morning or afternoon.10. Prioritize sleep and manage time better during the day, for example, by staying on campus after class to complete homework.

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Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like an exclusive Facebook group, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- give a one-time gift using PayPal- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Phileena’s last appearance on CXMH: episode 51 - Pilgrimage of a Soul- Obviously, the book we talk about in this episode! Mindful Silence: The Heart of Christian Contemplation- MindfulSilence.org, where you can learn all about the book.- Joy Unspeakable: Contemplative Practices of the Black Church (2nd edition) by Barbara A. Holmes- Insight Timer, a meditation app (we have a CXMH group within Insight Timer, search for it and join us!)

Connect with Phileena on her website, Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram. Or buy her books on Amazon!

Quotes:- “Contemplative spirituality is anything that helps us wake up and see more clearly who we are and who God is.” (tweet)- “The capacity to see and to know who we are is fundamental to the Christian experience.” (tweet)- “How many of us are really living into the reality of being a child of the divine? Someone with divine DNA?” (tweet)- “Contemplative prayer & social action must go hand in hand for effective social change.” (tweet)- “As we give ourselves to contemplative prayer we grow in discernment, hearing ‘this is yours to do, this is not.’” (tweet)- “We don’t practice presence very well.” (tweet)

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Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like an exclusive Facebook group, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- give a one-time gift using PayPal- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Michelle’s book- CXMH episode 31 - Does It Matter If Your Therapist is a Christian?- the Association for Behavioral and Cognitive Therapist’s directory: Find a CBT Therapist- the American Association of Christian Counselors- PsychologyToday- TherapyDen- the Spiritual Competency in Mental Health training program- we mention CBT workbooks. Here’s one by Dr. Simon Rego & Sarah Fader: The 10-Step Depression Relief Workbook: A Cognitive Behavioral Therapy Approach

Connect with Michelle via email using mpearce@som.umaryland.edu or buy her book, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy for Christians with Depression: A Practical Tool-Based Primer on Amazon.

Quotes:- “Our thoughts, our feelings, and our behaviors are all interconnected.” (tweet)- “If we can change what we’re thinking, and/or change what we’re doing, we can change what we’re feeling.” (tweet)- “You don’t have to be a CBT therapist to help someone start to shift thinking.” (tweet)

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Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like an exclusive Facebook group, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- give a one-time gift using PayPal- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

In this important episode, we talk with Dr. David Pooler, who has done extensive research talking with survivors of sexual abuse perpetrated by faith leaders. Dr. Pooler talks us through the survivors’ experiences within their churches (largely bad), as well as those survivors’ suggestions for preventing abuse, being prepared to respond, helping the victims find healing, and helping the congregation find healing.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources- Last week’s CXMH episode 53 - Catching Your Breath (feat. Steve Austin)- Darkness to Light training- The Hope of Survivors- FaithTrust Institute- Keeping Our Sacred Trust- CXMH episode 32 - Trauma, Attachment, & Creating Safety (feat. Aundi Kolber)- The Suicide Prevention training Robert mentions in Atlanta on November 14th- RAINN, an organization against sexual violence- RAINN’s hotline is 800-656-HOPE(4673)- ‘67 Resources for Sexual Assault Survivors Who Aren’t Sure Where To Turn’

Connect with Dr. David Pooler on Facebook and Twitter. Find Dr. Pooler’s research here, including a Best Practice Guide for churches to prevent & respond to sexual abuse.

Quotes:- “Image management is a part of the problem of why churches don’t respond very well.” (tweet)- “If you really want to get at solutions, ask the people affected.” (tweet)- “Clergy sexual abuse can happen anywhere, with any congregation. No church is immune. Your church is not the exception.” (tweet)- “Call it what it is. This is clergy sexual abuse. Someone needs to call it, name it, and define it for that congregation.” (tweet)- “I think churches need to have a victim advocate.” (tweet)- “I don’t think we’re taking [sexual abuse by church leaders] seriously enough.” (tweet)- “People don’t make [sexual abuse by faith leaders] up.” (tweet)- “Sometimes being Christian, doing the right thing, and doing justice is in direct opposition to legal advice.” (tweet)

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Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like an exclusive Facebook group, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- give a one-time gift using PayPal- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- We mention Jon Singletary. Check out his episodes on the Enneagram here and here.- Our friend Sarah Robinson and her recent article on Relevant- CXMH episode with Ed Bacon- CXMH episodes with Paul Young

Connect with Steve on his website, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, listen to the #AskSteveAustin podcast, or buy Catching Your Breath: The Sacred Journey from Chaos to Calm on Amazon.

Quotes:- “We probably all need better self-care.” (tweet)- “Being human is not easy.” (tweet)- “The miracle is not a snapping of fingers and being healed in an instant. The miracle is that God is present with us in the process.” (tweet)- “The sin of comparison is killing us.” (tweet)- “It’s ok to say ‘no’ to people and projects, because sometimes that’s saying ‘yes’ to yourself.” (tweet)

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Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like an exclusive Facebook group, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- give a one-time gift using PayPal- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

For more info about the Suicide Prevention Training on November 14th, click here!

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Brian Zahnd’s book Beauty Will Save the World: Rediscovering the Allure and Mystery of Christianity- Andrew Greeley’s book The Catholic Imagination- CXMH episode featuring Jason Chesnut: 18 - Depression & Dementors- Rabbi Ruth Adar/Coffeeshop Rabbi (and her post about Shalom)- We mention two Twitter chats: #InterfaithChat and #SlateSpeak- Meredith mentions ‘redlining.’ To learn more about that, here’s a good video.- Meredith’s online presentation: ‘Digital Activism 101: A Guide to Showing Up, Speaking Out, and Connecting on Twitter and Facebook’

Connect with Meredith on her website, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or buy her books on Amazon!

Quotes:- “Teaching happens everywhere. Learning happens everywhere.” (tweet)- “What I believe we all need more of is beauty.” (tweet)- “The hardest thing you will ever have to do as a writer is unhook yourself from the necessity of getting approval from readers.” (tweet)- “The creativity process so often needs to be creativity for the sake of creativity.” (tweet)- “Anxiety and excitement feel the same way in the body.” (tweet)- “Whatever you do face-to-face happens online, only faster.” (tweet)

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Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like an exclusive Facebook group, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- give a one-time gift using PayPal- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Phileena’s book, Pilgrimage of a Soul: Contemplative Spirituality for the Active Life- Phileena’s upcoming book, Mindful Silence: The Heart of Christian Contemplation- Gravity: A Center for Contemplative Activism- Chris Heuertz- The Way (2010 film)- Insight Timer, the meditation app we discuss)- Ology Symposium: A Dialogue Between Psychology and Theology- Episode 22 of CXMH - Are The Tides Turning? (feat. Kristen Kansiewicz) - Episodes of CXMH that focus on the enneagram

Connect with Phileena on her website, Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram. Or buy her books on Amazon!

Quotes:- “Many of us are not prepared for the deeper journey.” (tweet)- “Life has a way of challenging our religious paradigms.” (tweet)- “It’s one thing to grow up in a church and have ideas about God, the world, & one another. It’s something else once we get out into the world and live for awhile.” (tweet)- “We can’t separate psychology from spirituality.” (tweet)- “As I progress in life and in the spiritual journey, there are parts of my identity that I’ve needed to die to so that I might live into a truer version of myself.” (tweet)- “The way in which God calls me or leads me is into my highest, best, truest, most fulfilling self.” (tweet)- “In the ways that I’m more concerned with what other people think of me, to that degree I will be limited in being able to live into my truest self & highest potential.” (tweet)- “Many of us have heard too much about how horrible we are.” (tweet)

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Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like an exclusive Facebook group, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- give a one-time gift using PayPal- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Gravity: A Center for Contemplative Activism- Chris Heuertz- Phileena Heuertz- NAMI: National Alliance on Mental Illness- Other resources we recommend including books, podcasts, websites, and more.- As usual, someone ends up mentioning Brené Brown

Connect with Mary Alice on Facebook or on Calvary Baptist Church’s website.

Quotes:- “People can sniff out fakeness a mile away.” (tweet)- “The church has to start talking about things that are real, and mental health is at the top of that list.” (tweet)- “Having a counselor is one of the healthiest things I can do as a pastor, but also as a person.” (tweet)- “We desperately need to start talking about mental health. We can’t afford not to. And what better place for that conversation to happen than in the church?” (tweet)- “All of us, in some way, at some point, experience some kind of mental health challenge. All of us.” (tweet)- “When in doubt, refer.” (tweet)- “It’s all mental health related if it has to do with [us] & [our] well-being.” (tweet)

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Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like an exclusive Facebook group, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- give a one-time gift using PayPal- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- The NTA’s free online course: ‘Nutritional Therapy 101’ that teaches the basics of nutrition- Dr. Korn’s book The Good Mood Kitchen: Simple Recipes and Nutrition Tips for Emotional Balance- Dr. Korn’s book of recipes: Eat Right, Feel Right: Over 80 Recipes and Tips to Improve Mood, Sleep, Attention & Focus- Dr. Korn’s book Nutrition Essentials for Mental Health: A Complete Guide to the Food-Mood Connection- Other podcasts on the topic of nutrition & mental health - The Thoughtful Counselor episode: Mood Follows Food - Therapy Chat episode 124: Eating Right to Feel Good - Nutrition & Mood - Counselor Toolbox podcast episode 309: Nutrition - The Savvy Psychologist: Is Your Gut Making You Depressed or Anxious?- Article from Harvard Medical Publishing - Nutritional Psychiatry: Your Brain on Food- The Center for Nutritional Psychology, which contains a page with tons of specific research & more resources.

Connect with Dr. Korn on her website, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Pinterest, Youtube, or SoundCloud. You can also buy her books on Amazon!

Quotes:- “Up until recently, [nutrition] has been the missing piece in mental health treatment.” (tweet)- “Find a healthy substitute for the food that you like.” (tweet)- “Eat all the colors of the brainbow.” (tweet)- “Coffee is a drug, it’s not a beverage. So use it wisely.” (tweet)- “I guarantee you that if you improve your food, you will improve your mental health.” (tweet)

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Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like an exclusive Facebook group, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- give a one-time gift using PayPal- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Helpful tips for finding affordable counseling:- figure out what your health insurance covers- ask a local provider for referral options- check local college/university counseling centers

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Episode 29: Why Don't People Get Treatment? (& How Can We Help?) (feat. Dr. David Susman)- LowCostHelp.com- Psychology Today's therapist directory- Open Path Collective- HelpPro

Connect with Dr. Tarlow on his website or Twitter. Connect with LowCostHelp on the website or on Twitter.

Quotes:- “We don’t have enough care. We don’t have care providers. We don’t have enough affordable care for mental health.” (tweet)- “It’s a full-time job, knowing how to navigate the healthcare system.” (tweet)- “We talk about food deserts…I think there are healthcare deserts too.” (tweet)- “I don’t think any of us should have to do this alone…it’s hard enough for me, who knows how this all works.” (tweet)- “Find someone that can help you through this process if possible, because that can make such a big difference.” (tweet)- “A huge thing we can do for the people that we care about is making sure they get the help we think they need.” (tweet)

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Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like an exclusive Facebook group, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- give a one-time gift using PayPal- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- We talk a lot about the beginning few episodes. You can explore older episodes here to find ones that sound interesting to you!- When I was talking about the #ChurchMH chat from 2016, I mentioned other people helping run it but didn't mention the names. I wish I had, because they deserve to be mentioned. The #ChurchMH Twitter Chat was inspired by Jackson Dame (who also made the artwork for the chat) and was run weekly by myself, Jackson, Steve Austin, Aaron J. Smith, Jennifer Neyhart, and Sarah Robinson. They're all still doing awesome things and are 100% worth following.

Quotes:- “While we’re fixing big systemic things, the short-term goal has to be ‘how do we change the space people already are and have access to?’ ” (tweet)- “About 80% of the population has struggled with a mental health concern at some point in their life.” (tweet)- “It’s a pretty safe assumption that every person that you encounter has been impacted by mental health in some way.” (tweet)- “We all have mental health. We could all be healthier.” (tweet)- “Unless you’re given permission to talk about [mental health], you don’t.” (tweet)- “We know people turn to faith leaders in times of crises. How can we equip [them] to be better at those conversations and instill in them some trust to then refer if that’s what’s needed?” (tweet)

Connect with Robert on his website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Connect with Holly on her website or Twitter.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Episode 31: Does It Matter If Your Therapist Is Christian? (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler)- Episode 38: The Enneagram & Our Faith Journey (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler & Dr. Jon Singletary)- Episode 39: The Enneagram & Communities (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler & Dr. Jon Singletary)- Episode 15 - Suicide Prevention (feat. Dr. Jonathan Singer & Dr. Sherry Molock)- The Social Work Podcast hosted by Dr. Jonathan Singer- The work of Dr. Brené Brown

Quotes:- “If I can, in the slightest bit, help to serve those who are serving others, that to me is a tremendous beautiful gift.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Studies in Words by C. S. Lewis- If you're interested more in the connection between our language and the way we view the world, I (Robert) recommend Words Can Change Your Brain by Andrew Newberg & Mark Robert Waldman- Psychology Today article: 'How the Language You Speak Influences the Way You Think'

Connect with Jonathan on his website, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or buy his new book Learning to Speak God from Scratch: Why Sacred Words are Vanishing - and How We Can Revive Them on Amazon. You can also listen to Jonathan on The Faith Angle or Seekers & Speakers.

Quotes:- “The vast majority of Americans, despite widespread religiosity, do not feel comfortable having spiritual conversations." (tweet)- “The words that we speak reveal something about what we believe and then shape what we believe.” (tweet)- “Language is not just expressive, it is also formative. The language that we use actually shapes what is inside of us.” (tweet)- “You cannot pretend you use language in a vacuum. It’s always attached to our experiences.” (tweet)

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Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like an exclusive Facebook group, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.